I love Radical Candor. If you’ve not read Kim Scott’s book, I highly recommend the most recent edition. However, I have just learned the hard way, that although my company claims egalitarianism, and teaches supervisors to use Radical Candor, and espouses taking care of employees’ well-being; challenging or questioning problematic behavior is clearly not meant to apply to the behavior and actions of the highest levels of management. I am so disappointed.

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This is maddening. Sorry. I know exactly what this situation feels like, and it did not end well for me when I was dealing with it. Doing the right thing rarely does.

7 years later, my career is still suffering for it.

Get everything you can in writing and secretly record conversations with an app on your phone. Some apps don’t record conversations while you’re on the phone. Get an app for that or a cheap backup phone to have with you. Document, note dates, times, what/when/where. Send follow up emails confirmation what was discussed. Either print, blind cc your personal email, or take photos of those emails. At least you can sue if they fire you or retaliate. You will not regret keeping proof. You will regret it if you don’t.

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Just depends. Only the author knows more. Could be discrimination, hostile work environment, etc. Smart to save relevant info on the matter just in case. Even if she decides not to do anything with it, the harmful behavior could be targeted at another person too in a worse way, and her treatment and saved documentation could help prove a pattern.

What lesson does SHE need to learn? To shut up and never use her voice? To put up with threats and mistreatment? To let bad men in the workforce get away with anything? She should uproot her life bc of one jerk? Yeah, she might need to uproot and change jobs, but she should at least document what’s going on in case she can use it to fight against that behavior - whether for herself or someone else.

I have been told that I made disparaging and untrue comments about a more senior leader, and that my conduct is not only inappropriate as a leader myself, but makes me deceitful and untrustworthy.
Considering that my team now see I have been censured for relaying the issues they brought me and attempting to solve the problems - I worry that should this “formal investigation” come to pass, they will be afraid to repeat what they told me.

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I went through the same exact scenario with my last position. I was laid off. Five months later, I am still looking for a job. The lesson I learned is that I will no longer challenge leadership in the future. Give me my paycheck and I will do whatever you want and then live my life. It isn't worth it.

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Once diplomacy and attempts at 1-on-1 conversations have failed … Speaking truth to power in order to solve cumulative issues and a destructive pattern of behavior and micromanagement towards my team from a senior person in a different department, who makes almost everything an exception to process, policy, and regulations, which needlessly interferes with your quite competent team’s ability to be productive and maintain morale, is apparently cause for reprimand, censure, and threats of formal investigations - not into the problematic behaviour of the senior person, but rather, into my “inappropriate conduct” in voicing these factual, documented issues. Even though the speaking of truth and offering of potential resolutions was limited to the senior person’s direct supervisor, and 1 other relevant senior person.
And even though this speaking of truth was within the parameters of Radical Candor (care personally, challenge directly) and the supervisor agreed and provided their own examples of the person’s problematic behaviours.

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My leader coach just recommended the book to me. Excited to read it!!

Love radical candor, just saw the TedTalk on YouTube, but definitely looking forward to read the book

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