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Hello people, how common is a Amazon to PWC move ?
I’m interviewing for a Senior Associate role and TC seems to be more competitive than role in L5.
TC $114k- Base AMZ- $73k +$38kstocks ( vesting 17k$ due next year)
TC $135k Base PWC -$81$ + Bonuses ( 50k$)
Looking for managerial skills which the PWC role avails, and L6 promo doesn’t seem to be happening soon in current role. I’m also mentally stretched. I hear WLB in PWC is just as busy but can anyone confirm if this move makes any sense. Google Amazon
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I find also being white helps
hope that can change!
Confidence is what sells in any role or industry. Quiet confidence can also be loud though, but you have to still be heard/recognized as a confident leader. Regarding the loudness, 'loud' people probably do a better job of communicating their wins, big and small, both verbally and written during regular touch bases and annual reviews. If they're loud regularly then they're definitely loud when it's about their performance review. I don't think loud always correlates to being arrogant as some may think. It can but it also doesn't have to be. Even if you're quiet you need to be loud when it comes to your wins. You have to give updates regularly to your manager, your team, your lateral team. You also need to develop relationships with leaders across functions. Sometimes that's what helps loud people because other functions notice them too. They acquire more advocates along the way. I do think there are obnoxiously loud people in the industry that also move up because of politics or pure theatre optics but even the good kind of loud is a reason people move up.
thank you for your thoughful reply! seems like i have a lot of personal work to do and i appreciate the advice
I believe politics creeps more and more into many job fields as you get higher up in the ranks. In my experience, as you get to the Director level in most agencies it become VERY political in terms of who “has your back” and thinks you’re a leader, versus others.
I agree it’s unfortunate, but it’s a reality you have to deal with if you want to get toward the top of your agency / field. This does vary agency-to-agency. Some agencies are notoriously bad with favoritism or old-boys-club behavior.
i need to start making moves
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I feel the same way. I find ways to speak up in meetings with being polarizing. Some tips that work for me are:
1. Remind people the time and ask how we want use the remaining meeting time
2. Volunteer to take any action item and ask what are the other action items
3. Reiterate what the most vocal person says and ask, am I understanding you? Put it in their own words.
4. Ask what the objective of the meeting or agenda is…assuming there wasn’t one set, or use this if everyone is going off topic.
thank you! going to take these to heart
Being good at your job doesn’t mean you’ll be a good manager or leader. Kinda sucks but it’s the reality.
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Absolutely it is - especially in management. Your work doesn't speak in budget meetings or client calls, unfortunately. The shift from "best creative" to "best manager" requires selling ideas, defending budgets, and advocating for your team loudly.
You don't need to become the loudest person, but you do need to get comfortable being heard in rooms where work quality isn't visible. Practice articulating your value clearly and advocating for yourself directly. It's a learnable skill, and promotions above senior level basically require it.
very true, thank you for you insight! i need to work on my comfort in managerial situations
What is your role though? Manager?
sr account manager at a large ad agency
Being loud isn’t the same as being effective, but confidence does tend to signal leadership readiness. Confidence doesn’t have to mean being the loudest voice; it can show up as clarity and backing up your ideas. For the less outspoken, how do you bring that impact and confidence without changing who you are? I look at it as my professional self is very different then how I am everywhere else.
im inspired to have a work alter ego