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Rising Star
Not touching this sensitive topic with a ten foot pole
Here, try this 15 footer…
I would say the choice should be the woman's to make.
Pro
I support abortion because babies are annoying. Also we should have a 2 child policy imo
Lmao yikes
I don't know. I'm conflicted because on the one hand I love killing babies but on the other I hate giving women freedom.
The ones who are against abortion are just dumb people who have denied to progress with the scientific advancements humanity has made over the years.
Umm... I answered your question very calmly and patiently, and clearly with good humor. And I never called you dumb. You seem defensive and quite agitated. Hope you get clarity on your stance- and hope getting clarification on human biology and definitions helps you get there!
Perhaps rereading my response with your defenses not so high may help. Maybe you might actually be "open" as you call it and learn something new.
Also, lastly, I'll say it again- it becomes a baby, by definition, when it is born. Before that, by definition, it is called a fetus. Has nothing to do with values - that's just the English language. You could be against killing fetuses after a certain point because you believe the life of the fetus supercedes the life of the human mother - that's a values conversation.
Pro
Abortion is usually the last resort for people. I can't imagine anyone wanting an abortion when there are "better" options. People making the decision to abort will probably have the emotional baggage for a lifetime. They already feel miserable. Who are others/the government to judge and control them more? Pro-choice. It's not an easy choice to make.
Yes… exactly that same lack of self control… we may be arguing for the same thing here… I am pro-choice, and I think those abortions are better than the alternative.
Yo put this shiiiittt in a politics bowl no one wants to see this here
Lmao i didnt know there was one
What if the man doesn’t want it but the woman decides to keep it? Should the man have to pay child support for 18 years?
D3 no because it’s more common for mothers to do all the heavy lifting (pregnancy + post partum). If there was a legal agreement in place maybe but even then that’s a risk
The need for abortion is not a solid argument for whether or not abortion should be legal. It’s either a human or it’s not. I’m sure you can argue this better. Also. Politics bowl.
Rising Star
+1 to what EY2 says. I’m a big individual rights guy, and actual life trumps potential life every time.
I’m comfortable with the fact we execute criminals for heinous, irredeemable crimes. I’m also fully comfortable with and make my salary off the fact we will drop a laser-guided bomb or helicopter of SEALs on top of our nation’s enemies.
If someone asks me point blank whether I still steadfastly defend a woman’s right to choose even if to them it means murder of a child, I’ll say yes every time.
Enthusiast
Why can't we all have our own opinions and be okay with someone else having different opinions.
SC2 - I'm glad you and I agree my scenario would be abhorrent and I agree with your suggestion that the issue largely boils down to a question of timing - if you agree all humans have rights, including that of life, whether you come to it through natural laws or social contracts arguments, then the fundamental question is when those rights should convey.
When do you believe an individual gains access to those rights? I agree there is no universal consensus, but what is your view? You seem to suggest an autonomy argument, but I would be interested in understanding your beliefs, given the wide variety of options out there.
Chief
In the middle and I think they should be able to get an abortion
That situation is the cause of less than 1% of abortions. So it should not be used as an excuse for the other 600k a year
Ok, but for those 1% what’s your policy?
At least that’s what the op asked. If you don’t want to respond that’s fine but then why comment
Don’t use the fringe case to argue for the rule. It’s bad faith.
Chief
No - the baby deserves to live
Chief
Less than 1% of abortions are pregnancies that resulted from rape. So if this is the only reason you support abortion that you are still against it 99% of the time.
The fact that 75%+ provided "no reason" as a response only tells me that there's some real response bias in a survey like this. Not sure how you'd expect accurate data from asking a question like that - you're not required to give a truthful response or a response at all, the answers are not mutually exclusive (someone could have been raped and also not feel economically ready, but one answer is easier to provide to a stranger than the other). Still not good data in my humble consulting opinion. But we're all consultants, so we all know how data can be twisted to fit the narrative we want...
Abortion should be an option up to age 4. If the baby isn’t a match harvest it for organs.
Rising Star
Definitely an unpopular opinion here
My close friend went to Planned Parenthood and had an abortion when we were 14, she was never counseled on options or given alternatives- they lead her into a room, revealed she was pregnant with twins, and proceeded to rip them out of her limb by limb…. the sad reality is- we don’t talk ENOUGH about the byproduct of abortion, how it breaks women emotionally, mentally, and physically…
Every woman I personally know who has had an abortion started abusing alcohol/ drugs/ or engaging in other high risk behaviors to cope with the emotional pain…. and in some capacity today (if sober) are still emotionally wrecked.
Abortion doesn’t just kill the unborn, it crushes the souls of already broken/fearful women… and I don’t know how any of us could advocate for another woman’s suffering like that.
Abortion hurts women and that’s a conversation we need to start having.
P LLC1 while your friend's story is devastating looking at her reaction to giving up the child, I can confidently say she was in no condition to actually have it and raise it! Would've ruined two lives instead of 1
Not a confession!
It’s bait
For me, I’m a little more lax than most anti-abortion peers. I feel like it can be permitted within the first month but anything after I don’t believe in.
That is just my opinion, please don’t come for me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and thoughts 💕
I don’t judge anyone who believes differently than me.
Not based on your initial reply, I stand by what I said. You may have kids but It seems you don't understand basic human biology.
I guess I hope you meant 8 weeks because by your definition every time a woman gets her period you consider that an abortion 😂
Murder it