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Say it louder for the ignorant people in the back.
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Chris Wallace needs a taser
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I got more in AIP than Trump paid in taxes 😂😂
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That is an amazing chart. And sobering.
So I assume that your point is that the chart omits countries that, if included, would have been closer to the US, as I’m guessing Yemen and Afghanistan would be. I would be interested to see figures for those countries, just to see how the US compares to active war zones. But I think the point is to see how we compare to certain peer countries that like the US are wealthy, relatively stable, etc. If that’s so I’m not sure that omitting less
comparable countries is disingenuous.
Leaving that aside and assuming that the underlying data is correct, don’t you find the comparisons to Germany, the UK, Spain, etc appalling?
There’s a middle ground A1. I’m a D and support gun control. But I also hunt and enjoy target practice. The most dangerous widely available guns are semiautomatic (meaning the fire a round every time you pull the trigger, no coking required) and have detachable magazines (meaning you can quickly fire 10 or 15 or 30 shots and then chance the “clip” to another full one and resume shooting). Of these the semi auto rifle with a detachable magazine, or assault rifle, is by far the most deadly.
I own three of these guns (two pistols and one rifle), because I enjoy shooting them and they are legally owned and safely stored. Perhaps paradoxically I would support a statute banning private ownership of these guns and if the law was passed and signed I would surrender those guns. I wouldn’t support banning private ownership of the hunting guns I own, or my revolver. All of those hold relatively few shells or cartridges, and all are slow to load and therefore far lest leather than an AR or semiautomatic handgun. I also strongly support red flag laws, universal background checks, universal registration, and most other commonly discussed gun regulation measures as a reasonable restraint on public danger, much like a helmet law and speed limits. There are many gun owners like me out here, who feel more or less the same way and who are far from the NRA wackos and profiteers that the left thinks of when discussing gun measures.
Gun modification laws all have work-arounds, few of which reduce the lethality of the weapons. In that sense, they’re all silly. I resent having to modify my guns for the theater of gun “control.” In my opinion comprehensive background checks and banning private sales are the simplest ways to ensure guns don’t end up in the wrong hands. To make sure background checks have teeth, there should be a “registry” (not unlike a sex offender registry) where anyone who becomes ineligible to own a gun should be listed by either government officials (court systems, etc) and/or mental health professional, with civil liability against those who fail to report. Unlike TL1 I would
never surrender my guns.
We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas.
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😆🤣... 😳😢😭
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This is why I don’t believe anyone who says “there’s nothing else to do, we just have to protect ourselves”, or “gun reform won’t work”
Clearly, there’s plenty that can be done.
The gun supporters I believe are the ones who say “this is the price of the 2nd amendment”. They’re at least being honest with themselves that it’s a price they’re willing to pay, and one they’re willing to let society pay.
Many of us will die, but that’s a sacrifice they’re willing to make.
Yeah, western democracies are a terrible peer set. I think NK and the DRC would be better!
Don’t forget Yemen and Afghanistan.
The argument gets circular when you look at gun ownership rates by state and compare to the homicide rate by state. There is a very weak correlation between the two variables. It is a uniquely American phenomenon, and we just start talking in circles depending on what level of granularity were looking at the data.
Here's a pretty good read with recommendations that I think most would agree with. Maybe we can start there.
https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/254669.pdf
Yeah I’m not saying it’s causation from being a blue state, it’s just that blue states with less guns per capita often have big urban areas (which is why they vote blue) and those areas have gang violence (due to the economic disparities you mentioned).
There. Research has spoken. And yes some guns need to get confiscated, nobody and I mean NOBODY needs an AR-15. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes&fbclid=IwAR3csdZ7yMcmWFDnmAK7bJO3-V5x-RRlH8j9S92GtB8qBqaj1gnGN08FMqQ
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Well, people defending themselves against the radical right wing terrorists need ar15’s.
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Thanks! Analogy wise, this is possibly only matched by the hedonism in Rome before the Roman empire fell. Mind boggling. This can't sustain. The end has to be near, right? But then I think about Sandy Hook, and I despair even more.
Is there a URL where I can get the chart?
Hey, this came from an article I posted ;) where OP commented: https://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/boulder-colorado-mass-shooting-gun-violence-america-usa
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I'm going to say this a gun owner: every "illegal gun" starts off as a legal gun. We have gun rights in this country and I think that's great. We've also destroyed the gun responsibility in this country and I think that sucks.
You don't need to ban anything. You just need to put restrictions in place if you're to own certain things to ensure you own it responsibly. Too many times you have people who access firearms that aren't theirs because someone just leaves it unlocked and loaded in the house (Gun Owners of America encourages this practice by the way).
Register every handgun? I'm fine with that. Regulate rifle magazines greater than 10 rounds as NFA weapons? Fine.
Ban it? Confiscate it? Hell no.
Exactly. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.
Honestly with currently 10 million unemployed people and a % of the population with new or pre-existing mental health issues, add in the amount of lethal weapons in the mix and easy access to ammo... we are bound to see many more disasters in the news.
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Sure, because they isn't a cherry picked list of countries.
I don't see 75% of the countries in the world on here.
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PM1 you just got dunked on
Biden should use some of the already approved stimulus to buy back guns.
Op, link the full article for context!
Genuine question - is there data on % of homicides committed with legally owned guns vs illegal?
I ask bc the state level data above is interesting but I imagine it’s limited to legal gun ownership data
Let’s see what you can swing on Google
This is a selective view at best.
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How so?
Yeah but how many of those countries have been invaded in the last century