Ok PPMDs - can one of you closer to comps and benefits enlighten us mere mortals on the justification of having pension as part of our comp when it’s basically a robbery? Why wouldn’t the firm put that in the 401k where I can decide how I want it to be invested? 4% is such a huge punch in the gut when it could be getting me 8% - that combined with the fact that our 401k match is already not the best and has a lot of room for improvement. What am I missing here?

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This framing is exactly how your generation and the one before were quietly robbed of guaranteed retirement income.

Pensions weren’t an investment product; they were a paycheck replacement.

Comparing pension crediting to market returns ignores sequence risk, longevity risk, and the fact that most people retire into uncertainty, not averages.

You are not gaining flexibility. You are inheriting the risk that employers used to carry.

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OP may be too young to understand that. DB pension plan by definition is defined benefit. Company takes all the risks to project a lifetime benefit to emoyee via a fixed paycheck for life. Total opposite of 401k which is DC aka defined contribution amount to your account and employee takes all the risk with no guarantees.

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It's a benefit, so it's an added extra. To simulate not getting the benefit, you could throw away the extra income they're giving you

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I’m a mere mortal, but here is my take. Pension is just a retention carrot from olden days. They cannot get rid of it just like that, but they have diluted it. But it is still guaranteed income , saved from market fluctuations

I guess that’s one way to compensate for independence restrictions. Not quite sure where you are getting the 8% though? Is Deloitte adding 4% of your comp’s worth in pension every year?

OP I think you’re absolutely correct in your thinking

The comp hierarchy is
1) tax free cash in the future
2) cash in your bank account
3) everything else

Anything in the last bucket is worth much less than its face value, doesn’t matter if you’re getting spacex stock options, Deloitte pension, startup equity or whatever else - and it’s basically a ploy to save cash while convincing employees they’re getting paid more than what they’re actually getting paid

Is there a tax play here?

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