2nd year Manager at EY, with 8 YOE. Evaluating two offers and need help:

1. Amazon - CSM (L5)
TC: 185k base + 30k bonus Year 1 (and 19k year 2)
18 RSUs to be vested across 4 years

2. Deloitte - Manager
TC: 210k base + 20k bonus

Roles are similar. 4 year return seems higher with Deloitte, considering the Base + Bonus structure. Also factoring the 15% stock increase. Added my pros and cons below, I may be wrong. Please help, need to make a decision soon.

Post Photo
likesmarthelpfulfunny
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at
Highlighted IconHIGHLIGHTED

I left EY at M2 with 8 YOE for kpmg for slightly less than your Deloitte offer, which is very solid. Take the D.

likefunny

.

Post Photo
likefunnysmart

Amazon WLB is bad. This is not a mixed opinion. It’s objectively bad. The reason they changed the stock vesting to 4 years is bc people were burning out and quitting. I know at least 2 people who had mental/stress-induced breakdowns by working there.

likesmarthelpful

Yeah I heard this as well. My friend lasted 2 years before quitting Amazon media group (a better WLB group for the most part)

like
Recent IconRecent

Better WLB at Amazon? Anyways, doesn’t seem compelling at all.

like

Beat me to it. WLB will be an issue for both jobs.

likeuplifting

If anything, I would take the Deloitte offer and work there for 1 year. Then look for exit opps if you don’t like it. At least then you’re starting from a higher base salary.

likehelpful

Considering that option as well, or the other way round. Work for Amazon for a year and switch after a year to another Tech or back to Consulting.

likesmart

I’m surprised you’re at an L5. L6 is the mba level

likeupliftingsmarthelpful

That base comp is insane for an L5 (but I’m on business side- so if this is tech, then I get it)

likesmart

Questionable WLB at AMZN but YMMV

likefunny

Duck we are getting 160 here as M2 in Deloitte

like

I’m at 163, M2 EH w/MBA. I wish I was at 210

like

1. Join Amazon (this is not even a debate)
2. Spend two years
3. Watch all other letters of FAANG running after you
4. Hop over to one of them

You will never have this choice in two years if you join Deloitte. It’s about how you are setting yourself up for future!

like

Wanted to share what I saw here today:

Post Photo
likesmart

For all Deloitte folks who I unintentionally instigated, this is one of the Tech pillars. Cant share more specifics.

like

I think so tooo

like

What group in Deloitte?

like

Update: thanks FB fam for all the feedback/ comments. Deloitte offer was definitely tempting, but I decided to take Amazon offer.
Main reason being AWS experience to open other opportunities in the future. I always have the consulting doors open in the future.

DM in case of any questions.

like

Congratulations 🎈🍾

like

Location?

like

I think it depends on the work you'd be doing - it'll be starkly different in consulting versus industry (regardless of whether it's amazon or anything else). Otherwise, for the experience and quals these are fantastic offers

like

Definitely think critically about AWS. Many gates open after AWS experience.

likehelpful

Amazon is the top best companies to work as per FORBES, thin about it

like

This person must be in tech strategy, no way other offerings are getting a 210 base

like

Specific ERP roles can get super hot if there is a high demand in the market place. Not a lot of people can perform at a manager level on a workday implementation

like

Cute that you think Amazon will be better WLB

like

Definitely take Deloitte. We’d be Deloitted to have you!

likefunny

What group in Deloitte? Inquiring minds want to know

like

Quite high for Deloitte M, yoe/offering?

like

Do you have a MBA?

like

Nope

like

Update: thank you all for the feedback and comments. I had another call with Amazon HR. AWS is not negotiating on the level or pay. I think Deloitte offer is reasonable too. Will have to make a decision by tomorrow, keep you all posted.

like

The money is alluring at D but you have the oppty to move into different functions with AMZN right? That may be a better play. AMZN opptys are hard to come by whereas D is slightly easier.

Is CSM - customer success?

like

Customer Solutions Manager, yes.

like

Related Posts

Hi fishes,

Is there any referral opportunity available for the Data Engineer role with EY.

YOE: 4 years

Tech Stack: Python, PySpark, AWS, SQL, Hadoop

like

Hi,
What salary is offered in SAP LAB for SAP ABAP with BTP skill with 8+ yrs exp?

like

The severance package at Meta for laid off employees almost makes it nice to be laid off depending on what your personal situation is….. personally wouldn’t mind getting 4+ months of full pay to reset and think about what’s next 😬

like

Hi fishes,
@EXL
What is meant by Advanced automation and robotics in EXL, Is that good for somebody working in conversation AI development?

like

Fishes, what is the base for 1yr experience AC currently?

like

My practice in S&C is transfering to SONG, effective September 1st. What is the likelyhood of getting f* from a compensation standpoint ? Zero chance that I put SONG on linkedin 😩😅

likefunny

What is ideal package for a project manager with 7+ years of experience in IT firm

like

Does anyone know how the support escalation engineering role is like at MFST? Any insights would be so helpful..

likesmarthelpful

150K in Singapore, and $150K in Chicago. Which one would you accept?

like

looking for a Salesforce developer job role. i have overall 2.5 years of experience and 1.5 years in Salesforce development experience.

like

Any KPMG folks who can help with a referral please? Seems the other bowl is mainly folks in the US, so here I am. Happy to share more info as needed. Thank you!

like

I am Senior Data Engineer at LTI. I joined LTI six months back and have total YOE of 4.1 yrs. When should I start looking for next switch? And how much should I ask for?
Current CTC: 15LPA including 5% variable

like

Is it easy to change projects in Tiger Analytics.

Also how is the performance bonus paid in tiger? Monthly or at the end of the year only

like

Are Google , IBM , Meta learning certificates, worth it? Do they really impress employers? If had an IBM data science certificate without any experience for example what type of role can expect or should I expect any?

like

Does @oracle negotiate for money if anyone will leave early in 3 month?

like

Hi, had finished technical with Barclays will have salary negotiation, offer holding 13.1lpa YOE- 3.3 Tech- Java, springboot, microservices Please guide how much they can give base upon your experience Thanks Barclays

like

what is the pay range for role - manager 1 assurance at pwc sdc kolkata?i have 6.5 yoe and joined at 21lpa + 10% vp, four months back. managers from other big 4 start around 28lpa. does sdc kolkata pay m1 this much only or have they underpaid me? i am considering dropping paper and looking out again.

like
like

Notice period in jpmc is 1 month or 2 months?

like

Is 23lpa is okay for SDET profile in Cornerstone on demand or should i try for other company.

Yoe - 8
CTC - 14.5 lpa

like

More Posts

I exercised my right

Post Photo
likefunnyuplifting

Hi sharks, looking forward to switch Job. I work in operations. YOE 2 years. Any referrals ?

like

What are the bands at sigma healthcare

like

Hey Fishes, I am looking for some referrals. I have 3+ year of experience in data analysis with key skills like SQL, Python, Excel, Tableau. I can join immediately.
If anyone has any reference please suggest

like

Hi, working FT but looking to go freelance. I’ve set up an LLC and take projects sometimes. I have a diverse skillset in digital. what do you say are the most important skills in the market right now?

I bought a switch the first day of quarantine/sickness. Totally with it! So wholesome.

like

Who is everyone voting for this coming city election? I don't want another four years of John Tory.

like

How we can expect market correction in bny ? When to communicate with manager for market correction?

like

Hello Everyone,

Does any of you know about cognizant softvision company? How is it, please reply

like

Hi All, Any update on CTS work from home extension?

like

Guys, I heard CTS is going to open office in Indore.

Is this true?

like

How are people coping with the WFH situation?

Hi guys, I got an offer from x and i discussed that with my current. At 1st current said they can only give 30% increment. I said I can't stay with this cause i got 70% and expect at least 50%(as the 70% included VP and the current org don't have vp, they have bonus). Then they said they can do max 45%. I really wanted to stay here so I said okay to current. Then now hr called me and said they are matching the offer(no vp). What should I make out of it? What made them change their mind?

like

What apps do you use to purchase coins such as XRP

Is direct lending/private credit technically buy side?

like

When you budget for your engagements, what percentage of staff time is your budgeted manager time? I have always heard manager time should be about 50% of staff time but now leadership is pushing back. I have found the 50% to reflect reality. Managers don't reperform the work but have to do a detailed review. Thoughts?

like

Hello All! I’m hiring for a Principal Software Engineer within the US for a growing e-commerce, Society6. This will be a technology leader who will be a key role in decision making on the direction of the architecture and platform! Base comp. $205k-$235k

Okay, I feel like if a QE in India needs to email me, an SE, to just press the 'resolve' button on a user story that was created after a bug report was issued and fixed, then maybe... Just MAYBE... There might be a bureaucracy problem. 😒

likefunny

I feel stuck. This job is hard. Feels like lots of people piling on while I’m away from home and my SO. It would be nice to feel more supported and have less toxic clients.

like

Additional Posts in Consulting Exit Opportunities

Plan to go to B-school in 3 years (1 year out of UG now). Long term goal is entrepreneurship. Have offers at a MBB firm for a generalist consultant role and at FAANG for a strategy role. FAANG offer is slightly higher (though both are a 50+% bump on my current comp). Both would have me reset to entry level. Which one should I take?

like

I want to exit to MBB but if that’s not a possibility what are the next best consulting firms? Looking for at least midsize firms (non-boutiques).

like

Sitting on two AWS vs McKinsey offers. Which would you take?

likehelpful

Looking for a Scrum Master / Project Manager position in the VA area. Anyone have any openings?

My group is looking for a strategic leader to drive growth, improve profitability and sustain competitive advantage.

Role: Sr Manager, Corporate Strategy
Location: Greater Philadelphia area

like

I have an initial recruiter phone interview with Square Thursday. Is it it just a phone call or is it a video call and they didn’t specify. If it’s a video call what’s the dress code like? I’m coming from consulting so all my interviews were in suits. Any tips to get past the recruiter phone screen?

like

People who pivoted/trying to pivot to PM - what resources did you use/do you recommend? There are some online courses or boot camps that have $1-2k tuition fees - worth it? Which ones are worth it?

like

Is anyone willing to have a conversation to provide a referral to Google? I am looking at a strategy and ops role at the Google operations center. I have 4+ years at Deloitte ( currently a senior consultant up for manager ) and am trying to move into Tech. Any advice is appreciated!

like

What to do if you love consulting work but hate the travel?

like

Any insight on moving from consulting to relationship management?

like

Did not clear google onsite though I am sure I did well. One interviewer was very snarky right from beginning yet I maintained my composure. One interview was cancelled. Is this a normal experience?

like

How's it like working with Samsara - comp, culture, etc?

Currently making $260k base HCOL area. Moved from Big 4 to medium sized firm. Previously at $160k. Should I expect a reduction in base if I want to move to industry? 10 years of exp.

likefunny

What are careers where you can become wealthy ($10M+) over a 10-15 yr period? Consulting and banking don’t seem to be worth the hrs in the long run if money is the big goal

likefunnysmart

Does MBB sponsor CFA? And would it enhance exit oops? Passed level 1 and unsure if level 2 this June is worth it

Trying to chart my next move and not sure what direction to go. All I know is I’m tired of being always “on” in a client-facing environment.

Any podcasts, books, etc I can read for insight into more internal roles like biz ops, corporate dev/strategy, other??

4 YOE total all in consulting. Currently a SC. Clients/work have been commercial healthcare implementation & public health strategy, risk, process imp etc.

like

Exit opportunity at JP Morgan.. Executive Director, all-in at 300, base at 200.. I am being low-balled right? I am a tenured EM. Thoughts on what might be a good range for this level in the industry?

like

I’m looking into exiting consulting and moving into product management. Picked up a few books to read. Would a PM certification provide a lot of value? Any other tips are appreciated! Thank you.

like

Does studying for top consulting firms’ case interviews help in any way for interviews with other firms (e.g., FAANG case interviews) ?

like

Have been approached for a "Transformation Officer" role at a PE held port co with high probability of getting it. Torn staying in consulting ( 1.5 year post MBA till now) or new role? Suggestions?

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal