2nd year Manager at EY, with 8 YOE. Evaluating two offers and need help: 1. Amazon - CSM (L5) TC: 185k base + 30k bonus Year 1 (and 19k year 2) 18 RSUs to be vested across 4 years 2. Deloitte - Manager TC: 210k base + 20k bonus Roles are similar. 4 year return seems higher with Deloitte, considering the Base + Bonus structure. Also factoring the 15% stock increase. Added my pros and cons below, I may be wrong. Please help, need to make a decision soon.

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I wouldn’t take. Rationale below: 1. Amazon is a pretty bad wlb, really probably worse than consulting. 2. CSM is a crappy role in tech. You are the first phone that rings for dissatisfied clients. You also are paid less than either account leadership, sellers, strategists, and more technical folks. 3. Offer is at best a marginal improvement. Amazon knows their back end vesting usually doesn’t pay out. You shouldn’t need to assume 10% above market returns and a four year commitment to be ROI positive.

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It isn't that csm is particularly alluring, it is that other points of entry are out of reach relatively speaking.

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I can only imagine that’s for Consulting M which is apparently like an Advisory SM, considering they are giving you $210k base. Not sure what service line you’re in but that sounds incredible. I am/was in Cyber at Deloitte, which is one of the highest paying service lines and Ms started around 140k

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1. Join Amazon (this is not even a debate) 2. Spend two years 3. Watch all other letters of FAANG running after you 4. Hop over to one of them You will never have this choice in two years if you join Deloitte. It’s about how you are setting yourself up for future!

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Wanted to share what I saw here today:

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Update: thanks FB fam for all the feedback/ comments. Deloitte offer was definitely tempting, but I decided to take Amazon offer. Main reason being AWS experience to open other opportunities in the future. I always have the consulting doors open in the future. DM in case of any questions.

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Congratulations 🎈🍾

If anything, I would take the Deloitte offer and work there for 1 year. Then look for exit opps if you don’t like it. At least then you’re starting from a higher base salary.

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Considering that option as well, or the other way round. Work for Amazon for a year and switch after a year to another Tech or back to Consulting.

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I’m surprised you’re at an L5. L6 is the mba level

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That base comp is insane for an L5 (but I’m on business side- so if this is tech, then I get it)

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Update: thank you all for the feedback and comments. I had another call with Amazon HR. AWS is not negotiating on the level or pay. I think Deloitte offer is reasonable too. Will have to make a decision by tomorrow, keep you all posted.

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For all Deloitte folks who I unintentionally instigated, this is one of the Tech pillars. Cant share more specifics.

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I think so tooo

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Better WLB at Amazon? Anyways, doesn’t seem compelling at all.

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Beat me to it. WLB will be an issue for both jobs.

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Duck we are getting 160 here as M2 in Deloitte

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I’m at 163, M2 EH w/MBA. I wish I was at 210

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Cute that you think Amazon will be better WLB

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Definitely think critically about AWS. Many gates open after AWS experience.

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Amazon is the top best companies to work as per FORBES, thin about it

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This person must be in tech strategy, no way other offerings are getting a 210 base

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Specific ERP roles can get super hot if there is a high demand in the market place. Not a lot of people can perform at a manager level on a workday implementation

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Definitely take Deloitte. We’d be Deloitted to have you!

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186k base at Amazon? I thought the highest was 165k?

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NY as well

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$210k base as an M at Deloitte is insane. Take it. I’m M2 in Strategy practice with 9 YOE and MBA and don’t make anywhere near $210k base

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How much do u make

Questionable WLB at AMZN but YMMV

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I left EY at M2 with 8 YOE for kpmg for slightly less than your Deloitte offer, which is very solid. Take the D.

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Amazon all the way .... EY —> Deloitte is moving from one dirt to another

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Better WLB at Amazon? My friends are miserable over there

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The money is alluring at D but you have the oppty to move into different functions with AMZN right? That may be a better play. AMZN opptys are hard to come by whereas D is slightly easier. Is CSM - customer success?

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Customer Solutions Manager, yes.

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