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Unless the job market improves, nobody is putting their “2-weeks” . Where will they go?
Are people following the mandate strictly? Is there widespread non-compliance? What is the response from management?
I applied for a job at Amazon a few months ago, with a referal, and then they came out with the 5-day. I told my friend I was thinking of pulling my application, because 3 days hybrid with lower pay was better for my work life balance. He told me, "don't worry about the 5 day."
Hence, my wondering how strictly it is enforced.
Yes, absolutely...why mandate RTO when it is has been PROVEN that productivity and employee SAT is higher when there is flexibility. Companies that refuse to embrace remote WILL be left behind as companies not recognized as "best places to work"...they should seriously consider asking themselves is the RTO really worth it to jeopardize that ranking!
If remote work opportunities are falling off trees everywhere, show me the postings.
These power play mandates are wild to me. I haven't gone into work 5 days a week for years before covid. Even back in 2016 or so, I always worked 1 or 2 days from home per week. I'd never work for an employer that has a hard requirement and tracking to be in the office every day.
I think where the RTO trend will become unstoppable is at the point where enough places do it that no one can find a remote job anyway. And that's probably where we are headed. Jamie Dimon announced that JPM will be back in office five days a week. And with celebrity CEOs like him taking a a very public stand, everyone else in the business world will follow.
“Everyone else in the business world”? Not likely. A lot of the big players? Sure. There will always be plenty of smaller companies not beholden to the commercial real estate market that see the competitive advantage of a nationwide hiring pool. Those jobs may become harder to get.
My friend just moved across the country and left his job to work at Amazon knowing he’ll be in office 5 days a week. I think he’s crazy, but happy for him because it’s what he wanted
Our CEO just pushed out the mandate that people are "expected and required" to be in the office at least 4 days a week, (WFH one day a week).
Last week, there were more people in the office than I've seen in a long time. That said, I heard a lot of grumbling about the mandate as well.
The job market is fine and I expect to see a number of people jump ship for a few reasons:
Last year, almost, (ALMOST) everyone did not receive a full bonus or pay increase. They pushed back the pay increases and bonuses from 4th quarter until "the end of the first quarter". Of course, there are the exceptions to the rules.
Pay and benefits have slipped to bottom quarter of the industry for most rank and file employees while management still has their pay structure fully in place.
The mandate to be in the office 4 days a week. That's going to be a deal killer for a lot of the younger workers since, the market for our industry is rebounding strongly so, those workers with 3-5 years under their belts can be lured away since they are still a bit green and on the lower pay scales.
These mandates are about keeping employees in their place. They would rather pay more for less productivity as long as we know and they know that they own us.
As someone who started from the bottom and knows what it’s truly like to be dirt ass poor, I have zero problems taking on this fight. I think they truly underestimate the grit of their staff. I’ve known Amazon employees who were homeless and still got up everyday and went to work with a smile on their faces anyways. Most of these people making these decisions have never stepped foot over the red line and I’m not sure they would even get that reference.
Why would you put in 2 weeks vs. just seeking out more flexible opportunities? Even at Amazon, it really depends on the upper leadership at your team. As long as you're communicating when you need to be at home, most managers aren't worried about it.
it doesn’t bother me, i was 3 days at home 2 in office, my weekly mileage now is 56miles
That’s different. That’s a hybrid schedule. Plenty of companies adopted that and most employees are perfectly okay with that.