I’m 34 and tired of participating in the 13-17/hr rat race.

I’m looking to go into coding but the legitimate programs are expensive.

Does anyone know of any jobs that pay well and don’t require a high skill level?

Or

Does anyone know of a coding program that will teach you coding and how to get hired that is not thousands of dollars?

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Do not go into coding. It is a dead end. Consider jobs that take a year or less of schooling to get employed. Look at community colleges for cheaper programs that are designed for specific jobs (culinary, nursing, mechanical). This almost ensures you'll be hired after spending the 5-10K. And likely you can continue working at the same time. Win-win. Coding requires why too many technologies now to even be considered employable.

And no, I'm not preserving my job or eliminating competition, this field generally sucks and I am getting out.

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Coder here, and agree. But if you insist on going that direction prepare for future disappointment.

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I am teetering on retirement. I have worked developing software since 1989. The layoffs, difficult interviews, lack of job stability and after the age of 40 (too old), 100,000 new CS graduates or more per year, and now ChatGPT or AI is knocking on the door. I will steer my children into a trade or hands on field. I was really lucky to only be without work for just 2 months in my life. Good luck people! I mean that. I’m out

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I’d wouldn’t recommend going to a ‘boot camp’ style coding education. Your resume and work experience won’t compete against Engineering majors with a decade of experience. Every open developer jobs gets 1000 people applying these days. There was a surge in dev jobs before and during Covid. Companies believed online Demand would continue to hockey stick up like during Covid. It didn’t. Post Covid, people largely shifted back to normal lives. Since that time there has been massive layoff after massive layoff in tech. I don’t think AI is to blame, tech jobs are just returning to normal. Now, 10,000 devs chase similar jobs at any time. Maybe it will be an easy field to enter again in the future, but not right now. Id look elsewhere. Healthcare maybe? Population is aging, so demand will continue to rise.

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While coding is awesome job, that job will die out soon there are tones of Software Engineers with 10+ years of experience and have hard time finding job, honestly nowadays a novice coder has no chance to be hired.

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Sorry, There are no shortcuts. If you want to go into programming and make the big bucks, you have to put in the investment of study and time with successful results. Without credentials and references no one is going to hiredyou in what is a technically complex field

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There is year up and per Scholas that teach you coding in 3 months and help with job placement all free! Look into it. it is worth it.

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Grass is always greener on the other side 😉

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AI, outsourcing, and middle east &/or Indians' scabs killed computer field jobs.

Funny thing is the Indians are lying their asses off and everyone knows but doesn't care. They just need to work 80 hour weeks. Yet for US candidates, you are an expert in a language and they act like you can't learn a library that you haven't needed to use before. I had a job where the phone interview asked for my experience over 10+ languages, frameworks, libraries - I had some experience with every single one, proven on my GitHub, and I still got ghosted. It is rigged against you from the start and I can't wait til this starts crumbling down.

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What about Business Analyst... I'm seeing quite few adverts here on my area. Does anyone here have experience on IIBA?

> Does anyone know of any jobs that pay well and don’t require a high skill level?

Trucking, UPS/FedEx delivery, TikToking

Get a job in the trades, ya ding dong. Blows my mind why people would work a low wage jobby job when the trades are in such high demand. Trades pay great right now and every contractor I know would jump for joy at the prospect of a reliable competent employee. You can get into the entry level for $25+/hr with a ceiling that tops out at a comfortable living once you're skilled enough to run your own operation. Since it sounds like you're a chick, so I'd avoid harder labor trades like carpentry or concrete. Trades like plumbing, electrical, and painting require some degree of physical fitness but if you can lift 50lbs above your head, you're fine. You could literally go out and get hired to apprentice for a plumber tomorrow if you tried.

The market is tough right now, and I think that’s why people are recommending against it.

I dropped out of school for a non-CS major, did not attend any boot camps, and taught myself. Now, I make almost 300K total comp.

It’s about finding a field in engineering that you’re passionate enough about to apply yourself to. If you view any of it as homework or a chore, yes, you’re gonna have a bad time. But if any piece of it is interesting to you, and you will work hard for a field you care about—it’s very possible and lucrative.

On the subject of AI replacing engineers—LOL. Virtually any other field is more likely. Instead, I’ve found that it has helped me *dramatically* in adopting new languages and disciplines within this field, and democratized it away from schools and teachers that are expensive and years out of date.

In short, it’s possible to learn enough within a year to start at the bottom. Do you care enough to switch careers? To do self-teaching after a grueling schedule? Only you can decide that, because even if it doesn’t cost you a red cent, those are huge barriers for a lot of people.

You can learn to do it, but you won't get hired. Simple as that. If there is somebody with a degree or cert, they will be preferred even if they perform slightly worse in the interview. This is the real reason why people get degrees so they don't get the "you're great, but".

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Coding is dead end. Business Analysis roles are great, especially if you've got some technical knowledge behind you (not coding, think infrastructure, networking, stuff like that. )And if you have soft skills also, you'll do INCREDIBLY WELL, in an analyst role if you can talk to people.

The entry level developer bar is going up and up, and has been for a while as employers are reluctant to take them on because:
a. they may take up lots of senior time training and reviewing
b. many job hop within 2 years
c. senior devs can instead train and review AI code to speed through trivial features for cheaper

There isn't exactly a truly trialled and trusted fast track to getting hired to write software, if you become capable of describing algothms, patterns and contributing to relevant FOSS projects by whatever training though, you'll have achieved a recognisable level of skill to find work

Trust me, just use the internet to learn how to code, Do not pay for it

Like it or not a strong architecture and design are paramount to the success of a project, if you Fail to Plan, Plan to Fail. The development process, Agile or Waterfall falls apart when you have not put the prerequisites of a comprehensive architecture and design in place. Further compounding the problem is a lack of quality seasoned software engineers who have the experience to guide the development properly. Many projects fail not based on methodology but as a result of management looking for the cheapest resource. Sometimes, less is more, meaning a couple of highly skilled resources will run circles around the volumes of cheap low-skilled resources thrown at a problem. Quality extensible software takes time and artistry but too often management tries to add boundaries that stifle creativity so teams give up or move to something else. Throwing more resources will not expedite delivery but just exacerbate the problem. Methodology won't overcome skill-set deficits it just leads to failed efforts. I've been in the software business long enough to know that the success of a project is based on highly skilled and motivated engineers who think outside the box. Methodologies, in particular Agile, place guardrails around creativity that burden a project delivery. One of Agile's principles is iterative development but there's a high price to pay if one just sits down and starts writing code, Fail to Plan Plan to Fail. The spiral on design development deploy becomes more expensive as you spiral around the origin.

I've rambled a bit but to sum up my thoughts, a project's success is predicated on the quality and skill level of the resources and not the methodology. When the methodology gets in the way your senior skilled resources should be able to help navigate around the barriers.

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when i was a coder i worked 24/7 on call for a month. i always got paged at 2am. it ruined my life, mental health, and those i lived with. no money is worth that. probably not the best path if you want a standard work week. i burned out after 8 years. i worked full time for many
years but for the last 25 years have been consulting. the hourly rate is MUCH higher and none of my clients wanted to pay overtime which was time and a half! i have amazing life balance. i hope you find a solution that works for you..

Unfortunately, the market is already saturated because of Covid. However, no one can stop you

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