Is this a group for socialists or also for those that (in a constructive way) enjoy discussing socialism?
I’m Scandi and more social democrat than socialist, but have respect for socialists and enjoy trying to find a way to convince myself of certain aspects.

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Yes, absolutely. Just don't attack the validity of socialism as a whole here, e.g. argue that capitalism is a better economic model. That would belong in a pro-capitalism group.

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So you can come at the answer from a few angles.

In its purest sense, the incentive is that you'll benefit from it. Not the most satisfying answer, obviously, but that truly is the core of it. If you're the guy who makes chairs, you also need to sit down. You'll want to put in more effort to make better chairs so you can be comfortable when you sit. If you're a farmer, you'll want to invest time and research into methods of farmers that will allow you to eat better and allow you to work less for the food.

Another angle is admitting that sure, a lot of individuals will not want to put in the extra effort, especially if it's a benefit that they don't see, or if the job is particularly unpleasant. A socialist economy will recognize that, and that's why it needs to be done with some form of direct democracy. That means that trade unions will vote on working conditions, and product consumers will vote on product standards that trade unions must adhere to. The incentive to maintain good working standards and product quality will fall on the workers: you can get fired and replaced if you don't meet those standards, and you'll have to find something else to do.

Another angle is to reframe the idea of innovation altogether. 9 times out of 10, innovation is in service of capital. Are people going to innovate on data collection for targeted marketing if there's no capital incentive? Sure, but a cashless society doesn't really need that. You wouldn't need to innovate on tiered pricing models. Or better ways to trade stocks. Or banking and budgeting apps. More generally, the economy doesn't need to grow and is allowed to stagnate, so there's no need to innovate on growth for growth's sake. It wouldn't make sense without capitalism.

But if people vote for tastier apples after a botanist (who genuinely loves being a botanist) finds a way to do it in a way that doesn't violate the standards of the apple growers' union? That innovation is going to happen.

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