The work culture on my team is pretty bad. There is high burn out, lots of fighting, finger pointing, working 24/7. When I bring this up, the leaders mention that this is just how tech culture is. It is worse at other companies. I haven’t worked at another company so I feel like I can’t counter. What should I say?

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I've barely seen outright fighting or finger pointing at any job.
I've only worked one job where people (including myself) were *visibly* working over 40 hour weeks, and my next job paid about 50% more than that. Fighting and unpaid overtime are a sign of organisational dysfunction and are actively hurting the bottom line, not some necessary evil. Such minimisation is toxic.

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Anyone telling you that’s just how tech culture is, is full of shit and wants you to be ok with toxicity and abuse. Do as much as you can to tolerate it while looking for a better situation and when you find it, walk away from these people.

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It can be this bad or worse elsewhere, and it can be better. Depends on the company and usually depends more on the team. However, just because something happens somewhere else too doesn’t make it right. The leaders saying that tells you not to expect anything different because they aren’t going to change. If that culture isn’t one that works for you, I recommend finding one that is vs trying to change this one to suit you. I wasted years doing that, and all it did was deplete me.

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You should start looking for another job. This type of “grind” culture was common 10 to 20 years ago, but has grown out of style because most workers realized how toxic it is.

I worked for a company like this in 2012 and I got out after 6 months. I was desperate to leave a role where I was passed up for a promotion, and took the first offer. Within 2 weeks, I could tell I wouldn’t last long.

Seriously, the best thing you can do is get out and take a stand for your mental health and healthy barriers between work and reality.

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This is absolutely not true. The work culture at my company is amazing! We haven't had one person leave, from my team, in the almost 9 years I've been there. It begins with leadership and filters on down to our jr. Team members, company wide.

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What company? You hiring? lol

Unionization is the only way to guaranteed and shore up improved working conditions — otherwise you’re just relying on luck hoping to land on a “good team” where the people don’t leave (for good reasons rather than just fear)

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Thousands of us have been out of work for months and are doing odd jobs without medical insurance just to make ends meet.

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This. Or facing that or staying in a job that’s destroying their mental and physical health.

While this can happen I would not say it is 'just the tech industry'. Start looking for different teams or companies to work for if they cannot action on this feedback.

At least you all have a job.

Hopefully they and you can gain perspective from this … the alternative can very well be worse

I think most companies are like this right now barring some niche. My company has also started pushing work a bit harder as there's a lot of stuff happening now with AI

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