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Hi fishes! My spouse is planning to go to India but we would need to get her visa stamped before coming back. I see that getting appointment is such a huge problem right now. Can we get her visa stamped from a different country? In this case, we were considering Qatar, she grew up there and has her brother there. For what it’s worth she qualifies for Dropbox in India. How do I find out if Qatar works in our case?Deloitte
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Can’t believe consultants now fall for this nationalist bs, too. Maybe slalom should travel once in a while and visit Silicon Valley - half the founders are foreigners.. the US (still) attracts smart people and the economy has profited enormously.
No one "steals your job." That's a Luddite myth from ages of people looking for a reason to rationalize their inability to adapt to a changing jobs market. When an H1B Visa or offshored worker does something at a lower rate, the value the deliver is reinvested back into the economy in the form of capital. That reinvestment then creates opportunity for the rest of the workers.
"They're gonna take our jerbs!" is the rallying cry of intellectual fallacy and laziness. It's beneath you.
... when our government has sponsored corporate outsourcing to foreign workers via the H1B visa program. We have these skills. What we we don’t have is protection from large corporations replacing tech jobs with low cost workers onshore and off. I have dealt with outsourcing since the 90s. It sucks for us and honestly it also sucks for all the beautiful smart hardworking H1B workers who get trapped into it. The only winner is the corporation, stockholders, and the political system that profits from it.
Dude, you’re the one insulting h1b holders by posting that they’re poor trapped human beings, not able to make rational decisions. And now you turn out to be a cry baby over it when someone calls you out on your bs?
Just to clarify my statement on the plight of H1B workers. They come the US hoping to stay with a green card or citizenship. Instead the company they work for dangles the promise of a green card while threatening to send them back if they don’t work outrageous hours day and night, weekday and weekend This level of abuse should not be acceptable by anyone. The vast majority are not entrepreneurs nor will they get to live in the US long-term.
Developers - I understand and agree America doesn’t produce enough of and that H1bs are appropriate for this scenario. But at my firm I’ve seen H1b holders staffed as PMOs, BAs, and PMs. Don’t tell me we can’t find Americans to do these jobs. These corporations are totally out of control with their greed and it is hurting hardworking Americans
It really says something about a person who quickly attacks an opinion on policy with personal insults.
US universities produce the types of workers needed, a lot of them just happen to be foreigners.. current administration and some people on here seem to think US workers could just replace them. Flawed on so many levels. Not only is the underlying tone insulting to h1b holders, it would (and will) also hurt the economy as a whole. Stuff (as in consulting services / ML/AI, etc) will be produced elsewhere.
I saw no personal insult. Where was the insult? Just because someone disagrees with you reasoning or arguments does not mean they are insulting you.
@pwc1 the H1b should be used like you are describing, AI researchers, ML, etc but the bulk I would guess are used on people that are not specialists, not people that don’t exist already in the system. I would love some data on it, but I see mainly low level developers, QA engineers, BAs and other entry level positions. And they are picked by clients because the will bill at 50-75/hr and not 100-120/hr. So at the end of the day the h1b doesn’t mean “we need people with these skills and we can’t find them” it means “we need people with these skills at this rate, and we can’t find people who are willing to do that rate”.
Again Stanford grad students, Silicon Valley founders and VCs, senior specialists on new technologies are using the system as intended.
Ah... but capitalism shouldn’t be used as an excuse to manipulate a broken immigration system. Technology work visas should be a path to citizenship. Getting a technology job should be on a level playing field, visa holder and citizen alike. H1B visas are sponsored and the top ten sponsors are mostly technology outsourcing companies that are foreign owned. I want the open and fair competition of capitalism but that is not this.
Does the US really produce the types of workers needed for this kind stuff? Thinking both knowledgeable and scale. Also would certain things just not be done if there wasn't a gaggle of cheap tech labor to implement?
I agree P1. The administration is going about this all wrong. The randomness of the H1b extension rejections has been hitting many of the most talented technical people I know at Cap. Somehow all the non-developers aren’t getting hit
I would like to address the comment about workers not adjusting to the job market and losing their jobs. I get the argument. An example is automation. A factory worker loses his job to a robot and doesn’t have the skills to get another job. Tough situation but you dig in and learn a new skill. Free market forces, progress, innovation, growth all the good things we want in our economy. What I am talking about is a government sponsored program that systematically replaces local jobs with foreign guest workers doing exactly the same high tech desirable jobs that have not gone away. Do you see the difference?
Some would say, 4% unemployment so who cares. I tell you who cares, the people selling real estate or working in hospitality or government jobs who used to have a nice technology job before it was outsourced to a revolving door of H1B guest workers.
@D1 sorry to offend. The use of gaggle was disrespectful.
The problem is enforcement. Today companies sponsoring H1B already have to certify that they could not find the position using US citizens and even have to go through tons of resumes to prove none were a good fit. But that's left to company to self enforce and nobody wants to disrupt their current work by switching an H1B holder out for a citizen. So if this administration really cared about this issue it would step up the enforcement, add more stringent penalties for companies who hire H1B inappropriately, etc. This is the exact same problem with migrant worker abuse, BTW- very unlikely to ever be caught or punished for hiring undocumented workers so everyone does it and then everyone else complains that it's being done. The solutions are simple but our economy and corporate donors benefits from the abuse so nothing gets done.
“Open and fair competition of capitalism “ - that’s funny. Not much fair about capitalism in the US
OP, I attacked the position, not you. Reread the comment. If I was attacking you, why would I have said the position was beneath you?
Much of the case for offshore saving money is based on currency exchange rates. Strong dollar makes outsourcing jobs attractive and make importing everything else attractive. All things being equal that is the main driver of a large part of the distortions in the global system today. No one is arguing that the current system rewards the best or most efficient use of labor and resources (other than capital). Thomas Friedman’s book “The Lexus and the Olive Tree" covers how the global players move from one country to the next as soon as wages get too high. It is a giant shell game.
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