A friend’s on a PIP, and it’s clear leadership has already decided to push them out. They asked if I’d be a reference, but I’m worried it could backfire with my own standing. Would you say yes?

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Yea OP this is a non issue. You are overthinking this wayyy too much. Be a good friend and help your friend out.

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I agree that your current firm is not likely to know that you served as a reference for your friend.

I think you have to ask yourself if you think that your friend deserves you to be a reference? What are you going to say if asked? Are you convinced that this individual is an excellent employee? Do you have personal knowledge of his/her work performance? If you serve as a reference, just be factual in your response so that you are not embellishing. If you were factual, then you could not be accused of giving an unfounded reference, although I do not think it is likely to ever become a specific issue unless you give a glowing reference and your friend goes somewhere and then does a terrible job or somehow damages the future employer. I think this is generally unlikely, but I do caution my clients about this when they give references.

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Speaking as an employer, I wouldn’t worry about it damaging you with your current employer. In my mind, the bigger question is whether or not you are willing to put your personal reputation behind your friend to their new employer.

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This is the point OP needs to consider. It doesn’t matter about your current employer. For example, a former coworker asked me for a reference for another state she was waiving into on motion. I’ll never have any contact with that state, but I’d never offer a reference (which I gave) if she weren’t a good lawyer (which she was). It isn’t your employer you need to worry about here OP, it’s your own reputation. It really is a small world, especially in the legal community.

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Are you sure you're their friend??? lol Jesus...

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right? smh

It cannot backfire on you. Question is what kind of reference will you be? Could backfire on PIPer.

Asking a perfect stranger for a reference is something to worry about if you ask me.

If a friend asks me for a reference and I can with a clear conscience say good things about them, I'll back them all day long.

Them being on a pip is their problem to deal with. Why employers make things more complicated than is necessary is their faults, and not your friends or yours.

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