I’m so tired of office politics.
Any suggestions?

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It will never be tired of you

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If you bill a lot, you will never have to worry about fitting in.

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THIS.

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Coast. Don’t get in the weeds. Try not to hear gossip. It’s so much better to just not know IMO.

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Act completely unhinged. Assistant commits a minor mistake? Pick them up by their shirt and physically threaten them. Manager upset with you? Slash their tires and call the police on yourself. Janitor didn’t take your trash out? Turn the trash can upside down on your boss’ desk.

Always keep them guessing.

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Focus on national politics instead.

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We need a thumbs-down emoji.

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You really have to just not give a eff. It’s the only way.

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Half of office politics is knowing when to play. If it’s glorified high school, ignore. If opportunities for your career are at stake, play cautiously. Always let your work speaker louder than your words.

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90% of office politics are irrelevant to your career. Ignore that as petty bs. Of the 10% that might be meaningful for you, if it’s beef between partners, stay out of it. Taking a side will rarely be helpful and could be harmful. On the very rare occasions that a partner important to your career is involved in said politics AND wants you to engage/the issue is not just partner v. Partner, , do so in as anodyne a way as possible.

Stop taking part it them...

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Some workplaces are better than others. Hope you find one more down to earth

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I'm working on my routine after work to help me separate more from work and not overthink it

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Be your own boss.

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Beat feet and open your own shop.

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Leave?

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Keep you head down and when you need to speak with those people, keep about it work only and keep it short

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True. But it is possible to distance yourself and - as someone who has worked both as an attorney and in HR at 5 different AmLaw firms I can tell you that all big firms are NOT created equally. You can be loved at four and a pariah at the fifth. You might be successful at two and not at the others. All I know is that if you wake up one day - only one - absolutely DREADING your life -and if you go to bed that night and cannot think of one joyful moment - then that’s a day of your life that you’ve wasted, and you only get a finite number of them. Find a new damn job. Do it in your own or even better - find a trustworthy recruiter who will tell you whether you should be doing it on your own or through a recruiter (there are some of us who put your best interests first, I swear) - but find a new job. Everything else will work itself out. I promise.

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Depends what you mean by this statement. People are emotional irrational beings alot of the times. Learning to navigate through that is part of the key to success. That might mean you steer conversations in a more productive direction or it could mean you simply ignore it. Ultimately, you'll just need to find an environment that you can at least tolerate or optimally, that you love. Difficult. Not impossible.

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Embrace it. Politics are inevitable in any hierarchical organization. After decades in various sizable organizations, I did learn a few things about office politics: first, treat your office colleagues, at all ranks, like you want to be treated. People remember. Second, accept that you will be forced to contend with jerks, fools and incompetent leaders. But each of those individuals will have positive attributes. If you can find those attributes, then you'll be gaining an important leadership skill. Third, don't ever play political games. Make your decisions on the merits and recognize that you might be wrong sometimes, but employees will know you as someone who is fair and focused on the job over ambition. Finally, none of this means you have to take it if you're treated unfairly. If you are, confer with friendly colleagues and seek assistance if necessary. You may never get revenge, and you shouldn't seek it, but organizations are dynamic, so the problem will eventually go away.

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Work as a consultant. Zero f**ks given about colleagues on most days.

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Ok to DM?

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Yeah sure

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You need to find a small firm with a barebones team. I used to work in a law office that had like 5 people on the whole team, and we shared an office with a firm that had like 4, and then downsized to 2. It's hard to have a lot of politics to navigate when you don't even have the people. OR, another suggestion is to find an office where you have the ability to "win" at office politics. After "flunking out" and being ostracized at several firms, I finally landed at my current firm where I have zero tension with the boss. Just keep trying out new places until you find one that fits.

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Don't give itn attention and silence is powerful

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