Is it reasonable to expect to make $150k total profit your first year solo with 4 YOE. I have not been able to get reliable information. I plan to bill myself at $250-300/ hr

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

So much is beyond your control that it might not be reasonable to expect that level of income.

First, you'll need to find enough clients who are willing and able to pay your rate for enough hours to bill and collect significant gross revenue.

You'll have significant expenses before you bring in a dime -- and you'll need to use your current investments and/or loans to fund these startup expenses.

Of course, managing expenses can be a tricky needle to thread. You didn't want to cheap out on reasonable expenses, but you don't want to needlessly blow through money either.


I opened my practice almost 30 years ago. I used interest-free loans from my in-laws, and my spouse's income covered all of our family's expenses (including health insurance).

I was able to make a profit that year and every year thereafter, but I certainly didn't hit six figures for quite a while.


Recommendations from this old solo:

1. When appropriate (especially for criminal, divorce/custody, landlord/tenant, etc. matters), get refundable retainers and keep them in your escrow account until you earn the fees. This practice helps clients commit to you, but the need not feel bound to you forever (because the retainer is refundable). Depending on your client, you may want to ask them to pay the bills as you submit them (essentially, replenishing the retainer -- almost like first and last months' rent in a lease).

2. For recurring business, monthly retainers are awesome. They help even out your cash flow and make it easier for you to meet your expenses.

3. Areas like estate administration and real estate can involve a good bit of work before you realize good income. Sure, you'll charge for the wills and powers of attorney, but estate administration is usually more lucrative. But you are more likely to get the estate administration case is you have built a long-term relationship with the family.


Wishing you the best!

likehelpful

Lmao no

like

Sure, why not? If you are going true solo, you could keep your overhead under $15K easily. You’d therefore be targeting a fairly small number of hours to hit that profit target. If you are wise about obtaining retainers before performing work, you could easily have 95-100% realizations. Can you find 700-750 hours of work at $250 per hour annually?

like

What practice area? Is it a HCOL area or LCOL?

What LCOL area has a big law firm?

🤣 what? You can't seem to find reliable information? How do you think you are ever going to find an answer to this question, do you think AI will tell you? Good luck to you, but be ready for a wake up call. The clients are not going to come to you, is all I can say.

I'll say the following to be more helpful.

You can make anything happen. In order to figure out if it can happen.. You need to first figure out what your expenses will be for the whole year. Add that to the 150k to figure out what you need to gross. Then calculate how many clients you need to achieve that. For example, say expenses will be 30k, I would need to gross 180k. It would take me 12 very large cases for me to reach that (in the area I practice bit in your billable amount), it would take me almost 30 very small easy cases to achieve. It's more likely that I would have a mixture of hard and easy so I would probably need somewhere between 20 and 24 clients. So I would need to get 2 new clients a month. When you figure out how many clients it would take you, then assess if you have the ability in the area you live to go out and get that many clients.

like

I agree with Attorney 3. I’ll add you need to survive before you thrive. Your focus your first year should be on generating clients, providing great customer service, and keeping your expenses low. After you’ve mastered these things, then you can focus on your profit. This is a grind, but it’s possible to make the numbers you’re asking about if you’re willing to put in the work.

Extremely possible depending on area of practice

Related Posts

How often is everyone updating their portfolio? Should I be updating mine every few months or would be okay to go longer?

like

Since EAD is on the verge of going away, what are you guys thinking about doing next?

BC, any outlook or positions your holding for Jan/Feb timeframe?

Please help me to calculate the in hand salary for this CTC. Thanks.

Post Photo
helpful

How reliable is the Gartner Career site where you can see the status of an application? 2 weeks after an interview, and I haven’t heard anything but the status still says In Process.

like

How long do pwc take to schedule an interview. It’s been a week since I sent them my availability

like

What should be an expected salary for an experienced hire with 3 yoe joining as a senior associate in MBB?

like

Hi Fishes,

Need your help and suggestions to select from below offers:

PWC AC: 22.5 fix+ 2.5 JB+ Variable as per policy
Globant: 26.5 fix
Yoe: 5.10
Tech stack: SAP Native Hana+ BODS

Please suggest in terms of Wlb, career progression, job security,others.

Pwc AC Globant

like

Is there a way to download the pre-anoted notes?

like

Hello fishes, I am working at IBM as a Data Scientist and currently on bench. I will be resigning today as I have a better offer in hand right now. Wanted to know if I have to serve entire notice period of 90 days even when on bench or IBM gives early release ?

like

Its good to move from Walmart to Gartner with 40% hike. The tech is same.

What’s happening with the Chinese stocks? Do you think it’ll continue going down or will it go back up?

like
like

Monday Wordle :

Wordle 401 5/6

⬛🟨⬛⬛🟩
⬛🟨⬛🟨🟩
⬛🟩🟩⬛🟩
⬛🟩🟩🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

like

Can anyone recommend a good legal recruiter in the Denver, Colorado area? I’m a 7th year attorney and I’m ready to jettison the recruiter I’ve been working with after not getting a single interview in eight months of searching. Thanks!

like

How to follow up without sounding desperate? I already let them know I have competing offer expiring. They promised to get back to me multiple times but still don’t have final decision from them despite positive feedback.

likehelpful

I'm trying to build a website for my real estate company but I've never done this before! Can anyone share some resources that will help out with the design and all?

like

If anyone’s on the fence about adopting senior cats, it took 9-year-old Fatty 3 days to set up camp in our hearts ❤️🥰

Post Photo
likeupliftingfunny
like

Inflation post covid—19 .. thoughts? I am really worried considering the prices from housing to basic needs in major cities are already not affordable for most middle class families.

likehelpful

Additional Posts in Small Law / Solos

The past two days I’ve spent to my entire day doing things that really can be done by a paralegal. So I hired a freelance para. Any tips to make this a success? What’s your tips to train and get your para up to speed?

like

Do solos get to write off pro bono work at all?

like

Former client( filed a bar grievance that was dismissed, sent me a demand letter that an attorney responded to on my behalf, and filed a BBB complaint against my non-BBB law firm) has now pro se filed a lawsuit against me in small claims court. Alleging misrepresentation, failure to file a lawsuit, and failure to advise during the process. I have phone logs, emails, and billing notes (all of which she has) that show she’s lying. Should I notify my malpractice carrier? All advice appreciated!

like

When potential clients tell you they’ll hire your firm but they want to be 100% reimbursed from you if you aren’t able to get them the outcome they want - how hard is it not to laugh?! 🤦🏽‍♀️🙄

like

I'm entering my final year of law school but am going part time since I work full time as a paralegal. I have been a paralegal for more 10+ years and I want to open my own firm after I pass the bar.

I've worked at a lot of different size firms including a startup with a few attorneys and I was able to help with a lot of the ground work with getting the practice management system in place and still do some of that now at my current firm. Has anyone done this right out of law school? Any advice?

like

Has anyone received equity as contingency comp? I have a potential client with a founders dispute. He doesn’t have cash, and the other founder ripped him off and is now running the company. He wants to sue for equity and wants to pay me with whatever equity he wins. I’ve never done a deal like that. Is that even enforceable? CA law. The startup is actually quite promising.

like

We are a firm of 5 transactional attorneys and the bonus structure is very unclear. The usual “based on personal performance and firm profitability” language. I wonder how this is calculated in general. What is the percentage bracket of the bonus? Assume it is a high performance 9+ year attorney and the firm is profitable (even with COVID). The based salary is low $120k. Firm is in Tx. I’d love to hear your comments.

like

I have my own practice for past 5 years and have spent a lot of time building up brand and reputation. I'm thinking of bringing on partners but am trying to figure out how to structure compensation, profit sharing and equity while maintaining control. I dont want to do associates bc I need someone with more experience than I can afford. Does anyone have any ideas on how one can up a law firm?

like

Started my law firm this month. Have a few of-counsel positions and want to do mostly litigation (civil and commercial in NY). Besides word of mouth and networking, have any of you found any websites or services that generate legitimate leads?

like

Anyone practice DUI in Orange County, CA? Please dm me. TIA

like

JD/LLM in international and m&a Tax looking to leave corporate and start a firm in business/estate planning. If anyone has had success starting a firm in these areas please share any resources or insights. Thanks!

like

Has anyone here chosen Soluno over Quickbooks? Thoughts?

like

How do firms give bonuses to associate attorneys? Quarterly, monthly, annually? What is a bonus based on? Money recieved, billable hours, etc?

I'm looking to set up a bonus structure for a new associate.

like

Hi all, I have been practicing for 5 years (admitted in NY & NJ) and recently went in house. I just started a side business of writing blog posts for firms or solo practitioners. DM for more info!

like

Solos - what does your day look like? Do you work traditional hours? Do you take breaks during the day for personal things such as errands and working out?

like

Bookkeeping service recommendations? Virtual service or through your CPA?

like

Does anyone have any insight regarding compensation for the “of counsel” position? I’m specifically looking for insight from those in California. Thank you!

like

Does anyone run a business in addition to their firm? I’m a solo and I’m doing pretty well with about 60-70 billable hours a month. Though that leaves a lot of downtime. Curious if anyone has any second businesses that require about 20 hours a week. Not looking for passive income or franchise ideas though.

like

A friend of mine and I are both starting our life firms from scratch. We both do two different areas of law. How can we help each other with referrals and networking? We live in an area that’s pretty geographically large in two different parts of town.

Are there any real estate attorneys who have gotten into the title insurance business? What does that look like? Do you still carry on a private practice on the side?

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal