PSA: A shirt with a buttoned collar is not a dress shirt, please stop

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Clearly you’ve never lived in the south, and also get off your high horse

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While we’re on it, shirts with left breast pockets aren’t, either

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They’re sport shirts. Why stop? Learn 2 fashion.

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You’re full of it

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D1, what's the deal with the left breast pocket? I have a few but never thought much of it

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AGREED. I have been re-watching Parks and Rec and they wear ties with their button downs ALL the time. I think J Crew also is behind this trend

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So a button down

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if you’re not wearing a suit i feel like oxfords are fine

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And please do remember to button your top button when wearing a tie

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@D2- pockets in dress shirts are completely normal. Whoever thinks otherwise is a plebeian. Plus, shirt pockets fit hotel keys perfectly 👍

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K1 - harsh words. big country. Perhaps you’ll understand that there are many ways and many styles and many versions of doing things correctly. Ever wonder why people are laughing?

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dress shirt, meaning with a tie

Button down is great for business casual. Would never wear one to a wedding or a job interview though

@D1 also accurate

OP is correct

Ah the south, where state school majors fancy themselves descendents of plantation elite but are actually a family of muddy sharecroppers who wear red hats, work as middle managers at an autoparts manufacturer, and wear a tie once a year with the same Oxford button down they thought was business casual.

My point of view: no shirt pockets looks cleaner and nicer. Yes, you could put stuff on that pocket. But it it looks bad.

Call me a Yankee iconoclast, but I think button down collars look cleaner with the no tie + blazer combo because they keep a collar in place better than collar stays.

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