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Defund doesn’t mean end the police, it means lower their budget and give a lot of their responsibilities to organizations better equipped to handle them, so they can actually help with crimes like the one you’ve described.
Cops don’t respond anymore and can’t say I blame them . They’re in a no lose situation
So your asking about what happens when the police are defunded after you've seen how they don't actually do anything? In a world where resources were allocated better (e.g., the police have been defunded), the person who broke into your friend's apartment may not have done so because they have the basic necessities of life taken care of and the resources to pursue other activities than crime.
Just catching up on this thread..... EY 1 with the hottest of garbage takes....thugs, welfare queens, crime = immutable culture (and that culture is somehow not impacted by poverty and lack of opportunity). My guy (or gal, but let's be real here ....), please do better. Try to open your eyes to the plight of people less fortunate than you and understand that you could be one of those "thugs" if you had not had the opportunities life has afforded you. Learn about how systemic racism (I know EY1 hasn't introduced race here, but, again, let's be real, they are using racially charged arguments) and generational poverty has impacted this "culture of crime" that you speak of. We can all do better than this individually, and should be working toward something better as a society.
Defunding the police doesn't mean having zero police officers to respond in emergencies.
It means reallocating the funds away from law enforcement and into fixing the underlying issues (poverty, drugs, guns, ect).
If you improve healthcare, expand unemployment, and decriminalize drug addiction, then fewer people will be so desperate that they need to resort to burglary.
I think a useful question is: how useful are the police? How much crime do they actually solve? There are a bunch of analyses out there that aggregate this data, but according to the FBI’s numbers, they only solve 61.6% of murders. All other crime categories have lower rates than that.
The vast majority of burglaries, like the one you Ed described, go unsolved. Only 13.5% get cleared.
And an arrest doesn’t guarantee conviction. The rates of people being held accountable for their crimes are likely even lower. So what’s the point of the police anyway? Why do we give them so much money, power, and deference? If our goal is to stop crime and punish those who commit it, is there a better way?
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/clearances
I am a daughter of a cop and work in NYC homeless outreach. There are a ton of support services already available for the homeless but we are not allowed to mandate they use them. (Example: free meals at Penn Station but people still beg for a donut)
As to why solve rates are low- throughout the country, but definitely in NY, gang members commit a good portion of murders. Many times the police know who did it but cannot make a case strong enough for the DA (whose job is based on conviction rate). If witnesses won’t come forward, cases go unsolved.
The city spends $6 BILLION annually on the NYPD. A lot of it is spent on overtime. Captains make approx $190k/year, and average FT officers and detectives are $90-155k. A lot of time is spent on overpolicing small crimes, and unfortunately a disproportionate amount is directed toward people of color, who are incarcerated at higher rates.
To go off this, defunding the police doesn’t mean abolish the police. It means defund the police as in lower their budgets and appropriate the delta to other useful social services (I would argue mainly mental health services and education). This may sound “radical” to some people at first, but if you look into our budgets historically we have been defunding education for decades while increasing police budgets. It’s like putting a band aid on a faulty system without actually addressing the root issues. Cheers!
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Defunding the police means less funds for them. Less fund means less resources and training. Less resources means less cops. Less cops means less response and basically means you’re on your own.
I seriously want to know what experiences people who think like you have had with the police. Like what HAVE they done for you that you feel like you’d be “on your own” about? What exactly do you think they do that is superb and above what other entities could do when you call about a break-in?
I ask this genuinely & don’t mean to be snarky. Sometimes there’s this odd scent behind comments like this, as if the standard is that a crime is committed, a person calls the police, and then the police leave no stone unturned until they find your laptop or whatever and give it back to you....... I have NEVER seen that be the case, especially with break-ins. The best I’ve seen was a serial fire-escape burglar caught using security cam footage.... but that’s like one percent of what we’re talking about.
My apartment was broken into last fall, 6 well-funded cops on OT showed up and did absolutely fuck all for hours, and the detective meant to follow up did not follow up
Then, the volunteer victim advocates who got triggered when the crime was logged called me 4 times over 2 weeks to follow up, enable resources, help me navigate funding repairs, and double check if there were any related domestic violence or safety concerns and provide backup resources for counseling to be safe
So think of it like more funding for the latter, less for the former
CD1, PWC2, and C1 are on the mark on this. Lots of people get stuck on the semantics of the phrase itself (as was I when I first heard it, how can society operate without police?) but the reallocation bit is key.
We can and will imagine better forms of society.
Creative Director 1 is owning everyone on this thread. Everyone else needs to go do a quick Google search to find out what “defund” actually means. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Defund means what it means. Step up and own it, or drop the slogan.
Apparently they want to send a social worker to your apartment. Good luck!
It’s weird how the two of you are just completely ignoring the substantive conversation that’s going on around you.
Instead of being reactive and arresting people for crimes, we become proactive and create a society where less people commit crimes
*how
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OP folks on here will try to tell you that defunding the police means sending in other organizations to handle the reported crime. Clearly you’ve now seen all this really means is no one will show up at all. So defunding the police means a rise in crime and figuring how to handle it on your own
Can’t fix stupid
From my understanding the NYPD haven’t been really helpful in these cases anyway. So I guess same as before?
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Take or be taken.
I think we should either have strict gun control OR defund the police. Take away their guns but drastically enhance the police protection sounds fair. Or give them their guns and delegate the responsibility of personal protection to the citizens and the remaining police funds can go to other things like busting kids smoking pot or something.
What did pot ever do to you?
The people that broke in were ‘protesters’
I appreciate the jokes, because a reasonable person wouldn’t expect these things to happen. But they did.
GOP is stiffing funding to blue states/cities like NYC
Source?
One option comes to mind - they may be in the area on foot walking the neighborhoods because they don’t have cars or military gear. They also won’t just arrest anyone unnecessarily because they have to walk them back to the precinct.
But with all the chatter, no one has really defined what “defunding really means. Everyone agrees police are critical, yet problems exist. Just taking away money or toys is still not addressing the problem above.
At the very least, if youre not arming police to the teeth, it might force them to be more judicious with what they have. And perhaps only hire the best of the best, not just any schmuck who decides he wants to wave a badge and act like a tough guy
Do the math.
Bend over, submit, and let it happen.