So as much as I embrace the tenets of socialism, I have to admit: I'm not a part of a union. I don't know of any programmer's union and I don't know where to start if I want to organize in my own company.

If anyone has any pointers, I'd love some guidance. Also guidance in convincing my coworkers to organize, which might be a hard sell because most of us are pretty happy with our working conditions and pay as far as I can tell.

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I'm utopian and radical, but also an incrementalist in a sense - of doing the least to fix the immediate problems. Though even the least is a great deal of action, often, as with climate change.

So I think that while unionizing may be a sound end goal, for many workplaces there are far more immediate tactics with a higher reward to risk ratio. Organizing your colleagues is good, just to more specific actions - eg not showing up to the office to protest RTO directives, coordinated negative survey feedback for bad bosses/teams, notifying the unaware of who to avoid, having multiple colleagues bring up the same issue separately to make management think it's a huge issue - honestly so many people are so quiet at work that if you can get just a couple to speak up even privately, it can shake management out of their leisurely torpor, if it's not already outright class warfare.

Also merely just showing people their problems do not lie with them necessarily but potentially forces above them.

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Also the concept of voice or exit is a useful one - so many people, especially among finance/consulting bros, think their only option in response to problems at work is to quit. and if you're acting alone, that may well be true. But in concert with colleagues, your voice gains gravitas. The first step is stop blaming yourself and struggling alone. Your opponents want to isolate you into weakness.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit,_Voice,_and_Loyalty

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Well guess what! There is a tech workers union that came out as a result of Microsoft classifying a bunch of employees as contractors back in the 90s

https://washtech.org/

Only issue is nobody shows up to their meetings and they need to rebrand somehow because they are national.

I personally think we should have dialogues with h1b and non-h1b workers bc we are all being taken advantage of

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Welcome, comrades! My hope is for this group to be a respite from the bleak capitalist wasteland, as well as a place to share resources and information about getting organized and supporting socialist endeavors. This group needs an admin, I can't do it myself. Comment here if you're interested!

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