like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at
Highlighted IconHIGHLIGHTED

The issue seems to be that he was a very confident black man. He sought to chart his own course by thoughtfully accepting/declining certain assignments. And when confronted he sat up straight in his chair, took up space, didn’t cower. There’s a thought piece I refer back to every so often of the white man in my pocket https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kenya-robinson_n_6973488. He was moving like a white associate and that may have been off putting to firm culture.

likesmart
Recent IconRecent

This is a widespread problem in big law. And I felt similarly in my experience. POC but especially Black associates need to be careful to watch who they work with and for. We also don’t get the same opportunities to have the full learning curve of a junior. But a firm will always have a few to point to that “made” it. It’s a hard path.

like

Oops @A4. I accidentally answered below instead of replying here. But here was my answer:

Hm that’s an interesting question. I think part of the insidiousness of racism (or any ism) is that you can never be quite 100% how much the difference in experience you might be feeling or noticing is due to race. Or sex/gender. Or both. And part of racism is implicit bias. And corporate systems and law firms already have issues with proper mentorship and training. And managers. So I looked at it as part of the system. But I also personally never thought I’d really stay in big law forever. I don’t know even if I’d had a great experience that I would have stayed too much longer than I did. I don’t know if that counts too much as “overcoming” rather than…accepting and choosing what I would prioritize? It’s an overwhelmingly toxic environment but if you aren’t lucky I think it’s better to get out and preserve your health, sanity, confidence and well being.

likehelpful

i know all parties involved so, yes.

like

Spill the tea!

likesmart

Don't know the details, but wouldn't be surprised if the racial allegations are true.

like

If I recall correctly, the original complaint referenced an occasion when a partner corrected Cardwell’s grammar in an email. Idk why that of all things stood out to me but it did.

I believe him.

like

@Counsel 1, that was my point.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/hypothetical_legal_memo_demonstrates_unconscious_biases

If his supervisors were willing to correct grammar in an email, I have no doubt there was bias demonstrated elsewhere.

likehelpful

Thanks for sharing this. I wonder why Davis Polk allowed this to go to trial? A jury can be very unpredictable, and they have been plaintiff-friendly in the SDNY recently.

like

I wondered the same. I believe they tried to get it dismissed early on.

I wonder if they are banking on the anti DEI sentiment that has been on the rise recently to work in their favor?. But even with that, as you said juries are unpredictable, pretty risky to take a chance (speaking as a non litigator of course 😊)

like

I've had an opportunity to review some of the articles, and I'm surprised at how critical some were of a first year associate. Perhaps this is typical at DPW.

likehelpful

Isn’t it the firm that defended the "separate but equal" doctrine in Briggs v. Elliott (companion case to Brown v. Board of Education)?

like

They do talk about it. Though we’re more than half a century out from that so I’m not sure that makes them currently any more racist than another law firm.

I’m following and I had an opinion when the case first dropped which has somewhat been tempered by understanding how law firms ice people out generally. I’ve been meaning to reread the complaint with that lens bc I remember at the time not being able to fathom work just drying up mike that but haven’t had time or desire. But having seen how people were getting treated in the height of 2021 when people didn’t like them I need to go back.

like

https://abovethelaw.com/2024/01/former-davis-polk-employee-testifies-in-racial-discrimination-trial-that-fired-associate-was-too-relaxed/ - another article, this time on Mr. C not being stressed out enough. I found this testimony a bit cringe. Jeez, we're usually anxious enough inside.

like

The more I read, the more I feel like this Mr. KC got a raw deal at this firm.

likesmart

Hm that’s an interesting question. I think part of the insidiousness of racism (or any ism) is that you can never be quite 100% how much the difference in experience you might be feeling or noticing is due to race. Or sex/gender. Or both. And part of racism is implicit bias. And corporate systems and law firms already have issues with proper mentorship and training. And managers. So I looked at it as part of the system. But I also personally never thought I’d really stay in big law forever. I don’t know even if I’d had a great experience that I would have stayed too much longer than I did. I don’t know if that counts too much as “overcoming” rather than…accepting and choosing what I would prioritize? It’s an overwhelmingly toxic environment but if you aren’t lucky I think it’s better to get out and preserve your health, sanity, confidence and well being.

likehelpful

This case is heartbreaking. DPW gave Cardwell conflicting feedback (like “too fast” but also “too slow”), and talked negatively about him behind his back. Once he complained, he didn’t get work and then got a negative review and was terminated.

The retaliatory pattern continues—once he filed his lawsuit, Davis Polk viciously attacked his work and even his personal motives in bringing this case. This approach can backfire in new work world increasingly supportive of employee rights against toxic work cultures.

I don’t hear Davis Polk expressing compassion and concern about the challenges of being a diverse associate at a firm with a history of defending Brown v. Board of Education, or taking any genuine reparative steps to improve inclusion. I hope the law firm industry can do better going forward.

like

F

like

F

like

F.

uplifting

Davis Polk won apparently : https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/law-firm-davis-polk-wins-trial-black-ex-lawyers-retaliation-lawsuit-2024-01-29/?trk=feed-detail_main-feed-card_feed-article-content

like

Thank you for the idea! Let me think about how to phrase it for the group.

like

Related Posts

I am having skills of Analytics but not getting job I know Excel and other tools also Power Bi, Google sheets, Google Data Studio, Python, My Sql in learning.

like
like

Haunted by inaccurate performance assessment and its crippling my confidence. I’ve grown so much since, but 6 months later, the criticism of my old project manager stings.

like

Hi folks, can anyone suggest how much TCS can pay for 3.2 years of experience? Profile is Salesforce Developer.

like

Staying at the Ritz and STR in the Maldives so expecting good service and reading mixed things about tipping. I usually don’t tip much at hotels (never really thought about it) but what do people do? Is there an expectation and would the amount be based on like room rate or just a flat daily per day?

like

I have an interview coming up for an AE role at a cyber security company, as part of this I need to give a presentation on companies I would target and why.
Any advice on trends in cyber security at the moment or industries that are currently vulnerable and would be a good to target?

like

How many hours a week do you spend on sales enablement?

like

My new company is offering MAC laptops but I’ve never used one before. Will it be easy to transition? Any tips?

like
like

Hey All Is it anyone from Enterprise and SMB banglore team? Could you please help about WLB hows team?Jio Platforms Limited

Accenture US hiring across SAP modules with 3-20+ yoe.
Feel free to DM if you're looking for a referral.

No visa sponsorship at the moment.

like

What will be my inhand salary? Flexible pay will be paid fully. Corporate it mahindra and mahindra group. Mahindra Group

Post Photo
like

Would you take a freelance gig that would be a promotion (with potential to join full time) with a smaller company whose values you really agree with, OR a full-time offer for a lateral move with a larger company with teammates you know and trust? Of course factoring in all the nuances of covid. TIA!

like

Help! I have 10 years of consulting exp - mostly federal and/or human capital, left to go to small company where I’m a VP. Comp is around 230 now - 170/60bonus. Don’t love what I’m doing but could go back to big 4 as an SM and make partner in a few years. I’m 32 and want to keep making money but also will want a family at some point. I’ve been accepted to Columbia, NYU, UVA for full time bschool, and Wharton and Cornell EMBA programs (confer same degree as FT). Should I go to B school or work?

like

Any Freemasons lurking around here!? Thinking about making a Bowl for my Traveling Brothers. Maybe to talk about how we view this unique Labor (consulting) in a Masonic context, post some inspirational messages, recommend good books, idk stuff like that...

like

Does it make sense to move as a Deloitte SM2 to Capgemini Principal role.

like

To what extent consultants get involved in client location office politics

like

Looking for Dot Net + Azure or Logic Apps skilled professionals between 3 to 9 YoE.

Hiring for Deloitte. Prefer someone based out of Bangalore.

DM me for more details.

like

I want to dispose my office chair and i live in Newton. Anyone knows if i can leave it curbside or where i can check for the details?

funny

Time to host a Telugu consultant meet up ? Who is in ? Chicago..

likefunny

Additional Posts in Black in Law

Any connects for black design professionals?

like

How do you maintain a social life while working in big law?

like

Any nonprofit/EO lawyers looking for a change of scenery and a better fit?
A firm with the best of everything is hiring. Seriously a hidden gem.

DM if interested. California bar required.

Open to given a referral if you’re a bad ass radical lawyer, just don’t make me look bad. 😊

like

Two more weeks until the new year. Is anyone else struggling to finish the year off strong?

like

Let's share the wins y'all! Please share one accomplishment from this week or month, big or small!

like

Do you ever feel like there are rooms you’re locked out of? I’m a black woman, i lateraled to my group a few months ago with minimal onboarding and welcome. A white woman joined recently and everyone has bent over backwards to make her feel welcome and get her integrated into the group. People have invested less in me and it’s going to show in a few years when she’s up for partner and I’m still catching up.

like

Anyone else in review season? Tips for making your review awesome?

like

What are the benefits of being licensed in multiple states? Do you use all of your different law licenses at least once a month?

like

I have sued my landlord and I need some help in filing a opposition to Motion for dismissal. Can anyone please help me out

like

Last week, I mentioned that I needed to take an appointment (my therapy appointment) this Wednesday at noon. I also mentioned that this is a medical appointment, and I don’t feel comfortable moving the appointment. I just received an email that I need to be available. How can I stick to my boundary?

Any advice on dealing with a Partner who lacks project management/leadership skills? I'll take any suggestion...a podcast, a TedTalk, a yoga position, wine, hard liquor, basically anything.

like

M&A/PE associate (trying to juggle multiple deals) feeling like I don’t have time to dive deeper into issues and it being highlighted in some of my work product as I am having to turn things right away and just pushing things out - so issues I may have caught if I had a better/deeper/higher level understanding are more apparent when partners review. Truly feeling like I’m just messing up all around but trying to give myself grace. How do you know if it’s just you or a part of the process?

like

Does anyone have family members who constantly demand money because they feel like you’re rich now because you’re a lawyer? I’ve always wanted to be in a position to help my family but we all live in the high COL city so my salary doesn’t carry me as far as it would elsewhere. I’ve given a detailed summary of all of my expenses yet every month one family member in particular comes to me for rent money (not some, the full amount, and they refuse to get a job). It has become quite the burden.

like

Anyone know any good divorce lawyers in NYC?
Thanks in advance 🙇🏾‍♀️

like

This is a safe space: have you ever either cried in the office or cried about work?

like

Just started a new role 3 months ago and both my boss and co-worker have resigned within the first month. Is this a sign? Should I start looking elsewhere?

like

What's the number one barrier stopping more Black attorneys and associates from joining or succeeding in big law?

likehelpful

I just experienced this for the first time! Too much shade! I know each state is different, but have you ever looked down at someone who didn’t pass the bar the first time?

like

When, or if you set time aside to take care of yourself or do something for yourself, what do you do? I'm realizing I don't really have any "healthy" ways of relaxing outside of work, so drop whatever you got. It's starting to affect my personal life and I'm worried I won't be able to have healthy relationships unless I can take care of myself first.

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal