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Yes. I’m Black, but not a woman. I feel like I’m locked out of just about every room that matters. I’m a senior associate, so partners know they can generally trust me to run matters for the most part. But that’s about it.
Basically, if I’m making money for them, great. But if they’re engaging in strategy discussions and other important conversations that they’re bringing my White contemporaries into? Those rooms are off-limits for me, and the other minorities at my firm feel the same.
Smh I’m just a first year and I can see this being my exact story in my office. I know it wasn’t your fault they are how they are but just curious.. any advice on things I could do it to get in on those discussions or is this trap unavoidable for us?
Ever watch the series Partner Track? If you did, you will notice there are many similarities to what you are going through. It is the same not only in law but in a lot of service businesses and corporate America.
Without knowing anything about that new woman in your office, two things you can do:
1. learn and understand "why" is everyone bent over backwards over her. Does she have a family member that is in the business, is she very well connected to the partners in the firm prior to her being onboarded, did she work on cases/clients that she had a great relationship with and potentially bringing over? Learn and understand the "why" beyond her skin color.
-- There was a black female partner in the Philly area who was a master networker (some of you may know her) who built a book and network and took it to a mid-size regional firm and they kissed her ass. Why? Because billing hours does bring in money but you cannot bill without the clients giving her the work.
2. With that statement above, if you truly feel the culture is not right for you. Use this as a spring board and get connected with the clients you are working on. I am on the transactional banking side and I know for sure that the associates do ALL the work. I make it an effort to connect with the associate, esp. if she is a WOC and give her the same advice I am about to tell you which is start planting your seeds and build your network, outside of law (bankers, CPA's, corporate counsel, GC's) who are in your peer level. I also recommend networking beyond black lawyer groups and network in non-lawyer events where you can meet other service providers and potential clients. I belong to a lot of Jewish and Israeli groups and I have to say, they love us and they only see one color- green.
In summary, this is a common theme among diverse attorney's and service providers. Why? Because many of you are the trail blazers and do not have the privilege of others like Dan Fallon (Partner Track). Take what I wrote for consideration, reflect, and develop an action plan for yourself. In summary, if they see you as color green - they will kiss your ass.
That really sucks, I am sorry you have to deal with this. But I understand what you mean. I am not sure if it is intentional or the unconscious bias at play but it makes getting ahead more challenging than it should be
I think that’s the worst part—the people I work with are nice enough and this is so subtle, so I can’t call it out as racism.
I've seen this before and it doesn't seem to be uncommon sadly.
This is currently happening to me...
Yep. I recently lateraled too and felt the same way in comparison to what they did when another person lateraled after me
I'm sorry to hear that! Unfortunately, it happens in every company, and we can't control things such as how people behave toward others. If there is an issue, you should bring it to the partners to see if they know the situation.
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Ehh this advice deserves some nuance
I think socially, yes; professionally, no. But I’m sure the former will soon enough turn into the latter.
In the beginning when everyone is a young professional and peer, circles tend to be open and doors are open for opportunities- which is why it’s important to be pleasant to your peers. Very few from your peer group will know how to navigate, form alliances or get into an alliance (while being top producer) and then the circles and doors opened gets smaller and smaller as you progress in your career. Why, well because alliances has been set and clubs have been formed. You can get a job easily as you get older but are you in the club?
In summary, it’s critical to establish those seeds and roots very early in your career.
Yup. I’m a Black woman who lateraled a year ago and I’ve had the same issues.
Hello! Of course I will support this bowl. I will also pass this on to my colleagues.