Anyone ever come out of Pip and not get fired?
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Hello RSM coworkers! I am thrilled to be moving to RSM into a Scheduler roll. I just found out yesterday and want to be as prepared as possible in the next steps.
So here are my questions.
How long does the background study take? I'm guessing admin staff have a study that is faster and less complicated than someone in Tax ect.
When training at home what did you need that wasn't supplied by RSM? My home office is well stocked but I want to be as prepared as possible.
Thanks in advance!
Anyone else barely make it through Q1? 😅
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It's very difficult to get out of. I'd be happy to chat if you want
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Not an official pip, per se, but they tried to get me to quit by insinuating they were gonna put me on one and telling me to find a new job. That CD quit before it could happen, and then her partner that stayed promoted me after I sold a killer campaign. But also, I did improve on the stuff she was mad about. (It was more work habit related and not an issue with the quality of the work.)
Yes. I quit because the boss was a total ass. To everyone.
Yes. I stayed to have the PIP revoked and all their points resolved in writing. I only did it so I could quit on my own terms.
This wasn’t for poor performance though, it was because I didn’t fall in line with a difficult and inexperienced manager.
It really threw Leadership and HR as they didn’t expect it after I’d made such a big effort to suppress every urge to be myself for three months.
Never ask. Always respond knowing they won’t and either print out the chain or forward the chain to your Gmail and save
Start keeping all communications about this matter as well as a journal of off-email convos with names, dates, times, and what was said.
Is it possible? Yes.
Is it likely? Not really.
It’s hard to make a case you’re under performing if you’ve lasted until 60 in this industry… The 41+ thing is real. But if you’re the only 60 year old woman in the company you’ve got leverage to either negotiate a graceful and well paid exit - or lawyer up bc it could be viewed as discrimination. If you’re considering the latter, DO NOT accept BS accusations of under performing. Document everything, all your accomplishments, keep positive files and emails and feedback and use those to push back. Don’t concede an inch. Lay out your historical record to paint a picture of success. Get in front of it by contacting an employment lawyer. Good luck OP. I’m about to turn 50 this year, and that’s scary enough. At 60, you deserve so much respect for surviving that long.
As someone who does PIPs, in my experience about 20% are successful. Where I work, a PIP cannot be a surprise, so a lot of these folks have had repeated feedback for improvement.
It came as a surprise to me as well and this was at an Omnicom company.
Nope. The strategy of a PIP is a legal way for a company to get rid of someone. Pack your bags, be ready.....
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I’ve come into agencies and taken over the management of people who were put on PIPs by my predecessors, and it’s baffled me. Talented, competent people, put on PIPs. Because these people didn’t like them? Didn’t know how to direct them? It’s kind of amazing how so often bad managers get to control the narrative around good employees. Corporate culture can be so dysfunctional and unfair. Such is life.
Anyway, the sad fact is that a PIP usually sticks — scarlett letter. If someone’s slapped you with one, they’ve put a stink on you, rightly or wrongly. The company probably wants you to go, and you should probably indulge them. Or wait it out painfully for the severance. Hey.
This manager is toxic. Never a good thing to say. Truck driver mouth that they feel is ‘if you don’t like it too bad.’ A bully.
Looking at it from the other side- a PIP is often what HR makes the agency do if they want to get rid of someone who’s not doing their job. There is a PIF (Performance Improvement Plan) for people who need to be aware they need to shape up. Both are steps to cover the agency with regard to wrongful termination.
So it’s likely that by the time a PIP starts, there is quite a lot of weight behind it. They’re not easy to get ER to sign off on and they suck for both the employee and the manager.
That said, I’m have one or two people on my team who have come back from them.
If it was me, I would have a candid conversation about the reality with someone you can trust. Depending on how that conversation goes, you may be able to get more settlement if you make it easy on them and walk away.
I hope it all works out for you.
@SVP1 they have put me 50% on another account. Seems like a test perhaps. Same team, different account that I worked with before. Where I got stellar reviews. Do things happen and people mess up from time to time, sure.
Yeah I was put on one earlier this year, but for the sake of anonymity I can’t really go into detail, I didn’t get official confirmation that I’m off it and it honestly feels like it was swept under the rug lol
Is it normal for it to “fizzle out” with no verbal/written communication that you’re off it?