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Please evaluate this initial offer for Apple ICT3. I think I was low balled, but I want to take more opinions. Currently Sr. MTS at VMware, received Apple ICT3. I was expecting to get to ICT4 but seems like team thinks upper end of ICT3 is more apt. Also, I think it is because I don’t have any counter offers yet.
Received offer
Base: 185k
Sign on: 40k
RSU: 160k/4 years (Here is where I think it is low)
Location: Cupertino,CA
Current TC
229k
YOE: 3.5 years US / 6.5 overall(similar roles)
What do you do when you have down time at work?
What will be in hand?
Please help

Taking Reg this Friday so wish me luck
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Wait, Sr Manager at 40 is behind now? What is this unspoken rule? All my SM friends are late 30’s/early40’s and very strong in their career paths or have pivoted to new companies for promotion or entrepreneurship. Partners for us have to retire by 62 - seems ridiculous to expect such a steep climb and then plateau.
In my field, yes. I see managers 10 years younger than me. Luckily I don’t look 40, so it does not look as bad. But worse question I ever get is ppl asking my age. Their whole judgement would change if they got to know my real age
Might be a stupid question but :
1. why do you want to make partner?
2. Why is it important to you beyond status and money?
3. Do you have anything other than your career that brings you a sense of achievement and life well lived?
4. Do you know what making partner entails (stress, constraints, perks and all) and are you ready to embrace it?
You're the only one who can give yourself perspective, we can only help with the questions you need to address. Also, yeah it's a rat race and a carrot that's dangled. I made SM at 33 despite my best efforts not to, now I'm trying to get out because I do not want to make MD / Partner. From where I'm standing it's just selling your soul to the devil and being completely disconnected from life and people...
Chief
It sounds like you've been given bad information; it's definitely not too late - a colleague made the equivalent of partner at my company this year and he's in his late 50s (no requirement for him to retire at 62, though).
Chief
Yea I am an SM in Consulting too, next level is Partner/Principal for me and it will be in my early 40s. I’m not in a rush to get to that level.
Pretty much in the same situation and sharing similar feelings - turning 40 this year, Senior Manager at a T1 firm and prob 2 more years before promotion to Principal/AP as per current market and a backlog of Mgrs with the most tenured having priority. Not married, no kids, was in a relationship until last year when I got suddenly dumped by my ex- who couldn’t take more of the consulting lifestyle and was also emotionally immature. So feeling stuck too - not achieving career-wise, and not having started a family. Trying to keep on pushing and keeping a positive outlook, taking it one step at a time and not comparing to others, it’s tough but be kind with yourself. All of this to say that you’re not alone x
You’re well ahead of 95% of most people, maybe 99%.
Don’t compare yourself to some super elite shortlist of people. Besides, you have another 25 years to work. What do you want to do after making partner?
42 and a manager here. Totally fine with it. Found a sustainable work-life balance. Social and romantic life are not squeezed by work hours anymore. Some of us find that the rat race has no point and being right here right now is just fine… there’s no shame in being happy where you are.
Sr manager at 40 is behind??
Yes 🫣
For context, I am a 30 year old senior manager, so I understand why you feel behind. This is important context for others to understand when they respond.
I think it's important to recognize pretty much no one makes partner anyway. I'm watching it happen at Strategy& and seeing news articles about how the partner model is crumbling.
When you take that out of the equation, it may become less stressful. You can't be behind on something that is unattainable period. Instead you can focus on excelling on what you enjoy. If that's consulting, great. If it's not, then plenty of people pivot careers in their forties.
Unattainable? So people just go with the assumption that they will never make it?
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I am 42 and an associate partner at a tier 3 or tier 4 organization. I am also being laid off very soon.
Like you- I also moved continents, clients and roles: gained and lost some with every move. I did not know how and why to build the narrative on my wholesome experience.
1. I have realized we all don't start from the same place. So it's not necessary we end at the same place at the same time.
2. Doing your work heads down does not ever help.
3. I am too old to become a partner at a big 4. Wait, I can still turn around and work on some things and become a partner in 10 years. But do I want to pay the price? I don't think I enjoy it as much right now, so it's a solid No.
4. Maybe making an industry exit right now is for the best.
5. There is more to me than my resume and a job title. So I have started focusing on things that bring me joy. Which I did not when I was younger.
Chief
Unless you’re at an MBB firm where they typically have an accelerated path, making Partner before 40 is not the norm, it’s rare. Your career is a long game, and it’s not always linear because there will be opportunities for growth that aren’t necessarily higher level.
I think you should consider therapy because regardless of what anyone says, you have low self esteem and negative mindset you have to shift.
OP are you SM1 or eg. SM5 cause it’s a huge difference. SM1 is a bit late but not outrageous