Got a Google Strategy and Operations offer (L4, 250 TC). Currently C at BCG (225k TC, 3.5 YOE).

Thoughts? I will get promoted at BCG to project leader in 1.5 years, can’t shake off how the same will take 6 years at google (L4 —> L6). Thoughts? Any help appreciated 🙏

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

Positives - you’ll make L5 in ~2-3 years which will put you over the 300 mark. Great mobility all around, solid WLB.

Negatives - As an L4 you won’t be running much. You’ll work with team leads and basically be a note taker, policy enforcer and traffic director. Your impact isn’t as large as fishbowl makes it seem, and the pace of nearly everything will slow down (downfalls of a large, relatively bureaucratic org). Your base will drop, our salaries are heavily augmented by equity.

6 years from L4 - L6 is doable but fairly aggressive. 2-3 years from 4-5, and another ~4-5 from 5-6 depending on your performance, how visible your work is, and how you represent yourself. It’s doable but our promo cycles are not kind to people. If I’m you I would make PL and use that to build your L5 case. We are hiring people externally at an L+1 rate pretty frequently. If we wanted you once we will want you again.

likesmart

I went though the same dilemma

2 thoughts

1. You're right, companies will pay EMs more but fewer companies will want to hire someone with 5 YOE at a director or Sr manager level - so your application pool shrinks
2. Think carefully of your jump, once you go from EM to Big Tech directly, there are fewer functions pivots you can make without down leveling (e.g. switching to PM)
Additionally smaller companies won't be able to meet your comp expectations so if you intend to work at startups, now is the time

Tech skills and culture are very different from consulting, for me I want to be in tech long term so I switched to a start up post BA and got a role in a high growth company where I could touch every function and wear many hats - this opened up so many other interesting startup options and big tech options

like

I jumped to Google S&O L4 last year (not NAMR) as a C.

1) I got a better pay bump — negotiated hard on RSUs and sign on bonus (ideally you should target PL1 TC to make the switch)

2) L4 is a good level to join at. In case you don’t like the role, you can still try to get a promotion in < 3 years and switch jobs while showing progression at Google. L5 —> L6 promotion has a lot of variables at play.

3) I wanted to work less hours while earning more for a few years at least. If not less hours, then I wanted to be less stressed. In the last year, I haven’t always worked less hours, but the stress has been lower 100% of the time.

like

Can you share how/what you negotiated for the sign on bonus? In this boat now

Just 1 more data point for you - I’m a first year EM at McK and got L6 offer at GOOG. Last year as an ASC I got an L4 offer that I passed on.

like

Hi EM1! Do you mind if I DM you? I am expecting to be designated this cycle but got an L4 offer

I actually struggled with a similar decision in your shoes a few years back. I decided to stay until EM and left after a year in role. I found it really, really tough to be considered for L6 and other similar comp roles with only 5 YOE. Market is way different now I’ll admit, but still outside of PE I struggled to find place to match my comp.

like

Depends on how much longer you want to suffer in consulting. You will definitely learn much faster there.

You will still learn a lot at Google even if the growth on paper is slower

likeuplifting

Wouldn’t say suffering but could do with less stress

Congrats on the offer. That’s a very good L4 TC for your YOE and into L5 bands. A couple of points:

1. It’s probably going to be tough to move over as L6 at PL without MBA given limited YOE—if that’s what you’re thinking. But you’re right it’s likely to take a while at Google.

2. I personally wouldn’t take Google at your age. It’s no longer what it was and lots of us dinosaurs go there to vest and rest. I would look for a startup (even at lesser to TC) where you can learn and do a ton of stuff.

3. If you’re not interested in that—then optimizing for learning and TC stay at BCG assuming you don’t hate it.

likesmart

You could also move to google and stay 3-4 years and then bounce to a younger startup. Talk about having the bet of both worlds....BCG + Google.

A lot of googlers are getting great exit opportunities after 3-5 years

like

Negotiate for higher level at google or stay for the year and then dip after promo!

like

My buddy just negotiated for a higher level, they went back to the committee for approval but got declined

I would stay at BCG. Raises and promo are much faster at MBB and greater learning opp with diverse projects

funnylike

Just do both

smartfunny

What’s your base?

175k, 25% bonus

like

RSU vesting period?

Over 4 years

Stay at BCG if you like / don’t mind consulting. You’ll learn and develop much faster.

What’s your YOE?

Hi OP I found your post, wanted to know did you accept the offer or manage to negotiate a higher level? Same boat for me, got an L4 level offer but expecting to be promoted this month. Really like the team but level is likely too low.

Hi folks, whats crackin? How's the last 3 years treating yall

Related Posts

Hi all, i have an first offer for coforge around 27 LPa and now i have new second offer from x company around 29 LPA ,Will coforge will match with second offer around 29 LPA?need your suggestions on this..

like

Hi all! I’ll be relocating from NYC to Orlando, FL. I was hoping to get an idea of the average salary range for outpatient pediatric clinic positions. Thanks in advance !!

like

What's the pay range for a Director in Financial Crime and Compliance in any of the top consulting firms in New York?

like

What are some high paying companies for Data Science roles?

Yoe - 4 yes
Offer in hand 16 lpa
1 month notice period is left

like

Hey fishes,

Can anyone help me with the below questions on RTO-

1. When is optum planning to open offices fulltime and in how many phases are they planning to open
2. Do they provide cab servies
3. Do they provide breakfast/lunch/dinner inside office
4. Do they follow any dress code
5. Office timings

TIA😊

like

my last package was 4.8 how much I can expect in EY GDS having 5 year experience???

Please help

Interview is aligned with ANSR ( going to be acquired by National Australia Bank). Can someone give insights about NAB (National Australia Bank) related to its culture, WLB and job stability? There is not much info about NAB.

like

Hi everyone,

I have received an online assessment from Accenture for selenium Automation Testing.
Any one has any idea what sort of questions are asked. It will be really helpful.

Thanks in advance

like

Hello I am currently working in BI and want to switch career track from BI to data science please suggest some good course for the same

like

Is there any cooling off period for getting promotion in tcs. Like the time period between 2 promotions.

like

IBM
I have had salary discussion with IBM on 9th Feb, awaiting offer letter. Erverytime I call HR, she says you'll get offer letter within 2 days. No luck yet. Does anyone have idea within how many days IBM releases offer letter.

like

How are the childcare benefits in Boeing?
Do they have tie-ups with any daycare, or do they have any daycare facilities in premises?

like

What advice would you give a new L7 in cyber coming from D? Will it be hard to rebuild a network?

What's the probation period in LTI ?

I studied finance in undergrad and had a couple of internal audit internships. I only started a few month ago but I never saw myself doing IT Audit and I don’t like it thus far! Would I need to get a CPA in order to move into audit or something more finance/accounting oriented like FDD, Valuation, etc.? (Still need to get to 150, thinking of doing an online MAcc)

like
like

Folks who made exits to tech - any regrets? Is the grass really greener?

like

Currently working at a 3rd year analyst at a major bank. Focusing on Corporate Treasury sales for the first 2 years and most recently in e-commerce product development (payment processor). Looking to transition into a product manager role at a tech company where I can work remotely.

Has anyone had similar experience or has any advice to share?

like

Anyone know about compensation at Smartsheet in the professional services group? Typical equity offers?

like

More Posts

like

What’s next on your expensive wishlist to make this job a little more comforting?

likefunny

Anyone know about what "Business Review" status mean ?

like

How long does it take for Morgan Stanley to get back after a Superday? It was with the FRM division btw. Morgan Stanley

like

You guys getting pizza parties?

Post Photo
funny

Anyone who could refer me? I'm looking for a big4/ banking/ IB/PE related organisation to join. Have an experience in the US mortgage and a graduate in Management Studies. Have resigned last June, and now it's been 2-3 months I've been struggling to find a job.

I'm a finance oriented guy, and am currently upskilling through coursera as well. Currently learning about Private Equity and Investments. Let me know if someone could help to land an interview. Thanks in advance to the community.

Hello Fishes,

My Wife is currently looking for a job, however, hasn't been working for past 4 years. Would companies be considering her profile despite 4 years of gap?

Exp - 3 yrs
Tech - Dot Net

like

Hi Fishes,

Looking for a job in Oracle Fusion Functional role. YOE- 9

LWD- Nov 7

Please let me know of any opportunities

like

I am new in London. I have 4 years of M&A experience in the buy side. I have come across an opportunity to work with Rede Partners in London. But I am not aware of what exactly they do and what to expect going ahead. Can someone please guide if they are aware of Rede Partners?

like

Hi Fishes,
Can anyone please refer me
Goldman Sachs for associate profile. I have job id with me

This bowl has been quiet and I see partners commenting on odd posts around fishbowl so I figure you need more fodder: partners, did any of you have parents that travelled as much as you do?

like

Hello Fishes

Please can you help me with in hand of these org

Tcs-15lpa
Cognizant- 16.7lpa
Wipro- 18 lpa

like

Hi guys, I am planning to switch within Kolkata. I work as a Process Associate at PTP Accounts Payable domain. I have complete process end to end knowledge with a year experience. I worked on SAP ERP, Salesforce AP Cora and Savvion. I am from finance background. I have done my Bachelor's on Commerce with Honours from CU. My Notice Period is of 30 days.

Can you guys help me out here please?

I am eyeing for PwC EY Deloitte KPMG Accenture Cognizant Capgemini Tata Consultancy Infosys and others.

My hands are shaking!! I just got off a call with my toxic manager who is clearly not happy I am being poached for another division. I tried to hold firm as he attempted to 20 question me, who was it, who wants me, what division, how did they find out about me? And of course the gaslighting of “why didn’t you come to me I could have helped or made introductions”. Clearly everything is about him. How have you handled such situations? What could I have done better with my abusive manager?

like

Can anyone tell me about EY India ( Not EY GDS) ? Pros and cons

Hey friends. Recently joined a startup with a heavy reliance on outbound sales strategy. Without a phone number... what are some of your best ways to get meetings booked with prospects?

Our product sells itself, but how do you set yourself apart to get the initial meeting booked?
What mediums do you use with cold outreach that you find most effective?
What copy have you found gets the best ppen/reply rate?

I am not a sales PRO, but I'm also not a newbie. Really just looking for a think-tank.

like

Weber folks! At what point do you become eligible for a yearly bonus and how is your bonus determined? Any tie to billable hours?

like

Hi fishes, can you help me on how much I recieve in-hand per month. This is for tcs. Considering 80c is 1,50,000 @tcs

Post Photo
like

Hi fishes, Need your help urgently.
I have 2 offers
1-
PwC 10.6 LPA fixed + 2.5 lac JB
2- Concentrix 16 LPA fixed + 1.5 lac JB

Which one should I choose?
Yoe- 2.8 years
Tech stack - ReactJS developer

Does anyone have NY legal aid criminal.defense training materials??

Additional Posts in Consulting Exit Opportunities

Folks who made exits to tech - any regrets? Is the grass really greener?

like

Any sense of FAANG senior manager bizops (non-technical) Comp for 10+ years of experience at Deloitte? Looking more specifically at roles at AWS and Google. Thanks in advance as I know the comp structure is much different!

like

Started at the firm straight out of university. Currently an analyst approaching the 2 year mark and up for promo to consultant. I have a Program Manager offer at Shopify - should I make the jump?

like

MBB AP about to exit to non-FAANG tech. Would you expect a signing bonus and/or pre-determined severance pay if things don't work out with the new company? Anything else that people have negotiated during their exit? I'd be leaving a large amount of bonus on the table to leave before the end of the year.

like

Anyone know about the culture at Braze?

like
like

Looking to fill an open manager role on a supply chain implementation team for fortune 15 company. Short implementation cycle (3weeks). Travel but flexible. Stress is much lower than consulting.

What types of jobs allow you to be successful with minimal/zero networking?

like

Happy Monday!
I have an interview with KPMG for Senior Associate role in NYC. Do you know what’s the average salary under strategy?

Thank you!

like

Feeling really low about exits from big 4 mc. Feel like I’m not going to get anywhere good in a field that I’m interested in. Anyone who made it out successfully have any advice?

like

Is anyone looking to exit corporate life altogether? Trying to balance the emotional gut punch of taking a massive pay cut with the benefits of being able to live a life that is not dictated by the demands of my job.

like

I probably get 10 times the amount of messages on LinkedIn, from people wanting my company to buy something, then I do recruiters. 🙄

likefunny

Anyone witness slackers who got into companies you have no idea how? Had a coworker who does jack chit at work besides chatting on Facebook yet lands at a faang company? I guess if he brings the same work ethic he will be spit out for sure. Or maybe he just had no interest in doing project work.

like

Should I take $120k offer for devops job in LA? 2 YOE

like

4YOE @Amazon & trying to lateral to a similar role @FAANG. Have my undergrad GPA (3.8/4) on resume from top 15 school but colleague says to take it off (looks silly). If it’s a good school & high GPA, why ever take it off your resume? Even if 10 YOE...can’t hurt?

like

What are some key changes or additions you made to your LinkedIn which resulted in more recruiters reaching out?

like

Alix Partners 🐟 - I have a phone screen with a Director coming up. What kind of questions can I expect? Will it be a typical behavioral interview?

like

I’m already exhausted 🥱

Post Photo
like

Anyone know if Door Dash employees are all remote now? I.e. do I have to agree to move to the bay area to work a door dash

like

I exited to FAANG from big4 and part of me is seriously thinking about getting an mba to go to mbb. Does that make any sense?

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal