Hi PMs! I’m posting because as one myself, my impression of the entire field (client and agency side) is tarnished because of my current role. I was never a PM before, but after a reorg my firm started a PMO, it failed, and they are very focused on waterfall. I’m a MarTech professional and haven’t been looking at PM roles at ALL. Are there other PM role ‘flavors’ I shouldn’t discount because of one bad experience?
I don’t know for sure, but I feel like I’d do better in informal, agile PM roles

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Have you tried to drive organizational change using any of these agile frameworks but positioning them as innovation or improvement processes?
I'm an agile Pgm and most people don't understand these approaches when we introduce them without any flexibility. So we face resistance. I've been leading an agile transformation but relabeled with industry standards words, like operational framework, instead of agile teams, cross functional teams, instead of scrum or Kanban, workflows improvement, reduce cycle time, instead of scrum events, strategic planning, daily checkin or sync, instead of demo, outcome reviews... Etc.
You can introduce these improvements as "better ways of working", and you can get people on board to change their ways when you guide their paths and lead by example, not necessarily telling them, you should do scrum or Kanban, because trust me. Even people saying they had been in an "agile environment" before has been just a poor scrum implementation, and a reason why people don't want to go agile.

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Software companies are more open to adopting agile but it is the same thing. Poor practices chasing the wrong ideals and not defining clear goals.
It can be frustrating, but when you interview, understand the culture about organizational change, how are they willing to support your role to drive this change and how mature they are in their current processes and how they would see your role's impact and success.
Some companies had tried some sort of consulting on agile and were left with a mess that nobody understands, some others are ditching anything related with agile because of their failure. So, it's best to present yourself with common sense, good intentions and solid practices!! And not just repeating words from a guide.

Not really, that's the job. It's about organization, control, relationship management. Even agile needs lots of meetings. If you're not being creative and problem solving though, that's a pretty smooth project.

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It depends, what didnt you like about it?

Stuff I don’t like: there are too many unnecessary meetings that I’m forced to schedule (I secretly believe it wastes people’s time and hate doing it), a lot of the PM work is tedious and doesn’t use my problem solving brain space (e.g. writing email recaps, creating project plans that inevitably change constantly, etc.) The KanBan approach gives people more independence.

Some of it is honestly organizational, too, though. I’m the 3rd person in this role at my org and also hate it. So I’m wondering if there are different kinds of ‘PM role flavors’.

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