How much do senior associates talk to partners about the performance of juniors? I’m a first year who submits most of my work product to senior associates for review before partners ever see it. I get good feedback from the seniors but don’t hear much from the partners.

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I’m still very junior myself (coming 3rd year), but I’m one of the most senior associates in my small group (one other at my level). When first years help me with things, the partners often ask me how their work product was and trust my evaluation. So it probably depends on the partner re how much insight into the juniors they want, but in my experience, the partners definitely want to hear from us how the juniors do and who are the better ones to work with.

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I guess even at a large law firm when I was even a first year, I worked directly with two corner office partners. So I suppose my experience was different. But as I became more senior, I made it a policy of mine not to say anything negative about more junior associates. If something was good, I’d mention it. Bad, I’d either rewrite it or just do it myself and then not staff the individual on projects. I was never a good mentor, and I freely admit that. I’m just not a patient person for people who don’t get it. I haven’t been in big law for a long time, but I think it depends on each individual person.

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Thank you for your kind words! I actually do love my practice. I just feel like someone who loves karaoke and can’t hold a tune to save their life haha. But yes I definitely will continue to take CLEs and keep trying to get better. I think what you said really hit a nerve because on my first deal ever 2 weeks into big law, I took 4 hours to make a signature packet because I was doing it on a tiny laptop and the counsel got upset and he never worked with me again after. So your comment makes me feel like I can’t ever mess up because people will just stop working with me. I just ask for some patience, especially first years with no business background! We are trying really hard!

Most partners wouldn't stand hearing complaints about a junior from a senior. It depends on each individual, but I sense the general expectation is that seniors will mentor juniors as much as they can, and will cover for them and just redo their work whenever that doesn't work. Throwing people under the bus, especially people who work under you, is seen as a big no-no. The partner just doesn't care who did what when the junior is working through a senior, the whole point of the senior being there is so they can take responsibility. The partner will notice your quality of work and make a decision for themselves as to what your work product is like when you start working with them directly.

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100% this. I would not look kindly at a senior associate who threw junior associates under the bus to me.

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Partners ask me all the time how juniors are doing/what juniors we should staff, and I tell them my thoughts. Partners are just not in a position to be evaluating junior performance themselves most of the time, but of course they develop an impression from what they see and what seniors tell them. I’m never throwing anyone under the bus, but partners can read between the lines when I’m gushing about one junior and saying another junior was “fine”.

Like others have said, as seniors, a big part of our job is managing our juniors, mentoring/training and redoing their work as needed. It is what it is.

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