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Please evaluate this initial offer for Apple ICT3. I think I was low balled, but I want to take more opinions. Currently Sr. MTS at VMware, received Apple ICT3. I was expecting to get to ICT4 but seems like team thinks upper end of ICT3 is more apt. Also, I think it is because I don’t have any counter offers yet.
Received offer
Base: 185k
Sign on: 40k
RSU: 160k/4 years (Here is where I think it is low)
Location: Cupertino,CA
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YOE: 3.5 years US / 6.5 overall(similar roles)
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Depends on how big the ocean between the two numbers is.
👆 exactly. Make sure you tell them in that first call what you’re looking for if your number is higher than budget. If it’s out of the question, most recruiters would tell you. Don’t waste everyone’s time, including your own!
Are you not providing your number as well? Usually when they provide a range, you either say that works for me or you tell them it doesn't. If your number is significantly higher than theirs, it's hard to push for more later. Oftentimes HR notes down if the candidate fits within budget
If a team really likes you, they can prob push the range higher. But as a hiring manager, im making sure that HR is screening candidates that fit within budget. Otherwise it's investing time to push someone through the process only to be disappointed later if the candidate rejects just because the initial discussed number is lower than what they secretly want
Are there other benefits worth considering that would offset the gap?
I believe you should gently point out that this is less than the amount you were expecting. Give reasons why you think you deserve more, like your experience, past successes etc.
I have to be honest, that’s lower than what I’m targeting. It’s a dealbreaker for me. Is that a dealbreaker for you?
You may be able to. But its also possible you won't be able to get more and will waste your time.