PMs and Resource Managers: Could you please explain what you're thinking when you tell us not to bill for wait time? Like, seriously, make it make sense for us.

likehelpful
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

I just quit a freelance job like this. They wanted me on call from 9am till 9pm but only wanted to pay me for when I was actually working on routes. This was as a temporary employee and is so very illegal. But I guess this show becoming the norm?

likehelpful

Totally illegal but increasingly expected

A tale as old as wait time

funnylike

They’re thinking that the agency grossly (and purposefully) under-scoped the project budgets to keep the client(s) from walking… and in order to turn a profit, are now trying to take advantage of freelancers by inferring that the agency will release them unless they agree not to bill for the waiting time… which the agency is legally obligated to pay for.

smartlike

Oh I’m billing for wait time, unless the PM can give me a specific time that the work will come back (meaning I can sign off and live my life and I am not “on call” until the work comes back) then I won’t bill—but if they expect me to be “at the ready” at all times, they’re paying for that. So far no one has complained. And yes, I am freelance.

like

Assuming you’re a FL, why would you think you’d get paid for hours you’re not working? All hours worked, all hours paid. Now if you were told that you’d be working x amount of hours and it’s not measuring up to that, that’s a staffing issue but you still shouldn’t be paid for someone else’s mistake. This is part of the risk of being a FL, you can get insane hourly rates but the hours aren’t always guaranteed.

likefunny

WHAT? TIME. They are paying for TIME not work. It’s called a TIMESHEET. To TIME your hours. It’s not called a worksheet, is it? TIMEsheet. Everyone say it with me: TIMESHEET

like

I refuse to accept freelance assignments unless I’m guaranteed 40 hrs/week. I get it in writing. I’ve been screwed like this before. Once the client on a project the client went AWOL for days. They told me to go home (this was before remote work) and that they would call me when they needed me. When they did get around to calling me, I had a new gig and was no longer available :)

like

I think a freelancer is entitled to wait time — but a staff employee, maybe not. I assume you’re FL and I always would want my FL billing wait time

like

You should bill a non-billable agency or client code, not a billable project code.

like

Coming back to seriously engage with you, Director of Operations. You do realize that you pay freelancers for their time at your company, not for the time they spend on the job, right? This is a fundamental thing for you, the person in charge of Operations, to understand.

Please, please stop telling people to put time to a job number and then not pay them for that time. You are breaking the law. You are committing wage theft as a matter of business. In other words, you are a criminal.

smart

Related Posts

Are there any crunchy hiker folks out here? Would love to talk with y’all!

like

Anyone studying toward the CIPM have any tips or study resources? Particularly those with a legal background working in privacy and regulatory compliance (non-IT cybersec). Would be delighted to connect. TIA ⭐

like

First time working with a celebrity for one of our campaigns. Anyone have any tips or advice? A little nervous here 😅

like

Exhausted by entitled clients that are just plain nasty. Is it just me or are clients everywhere getting more demanding and treating their agencies worse?

like

This is the only bowl I can think to post in, but I'm really feeling it today. Has anyone lost their best friend (i.e. through time/growing up) and feel like none of their current friends could live up to the fun/connection you used to have with your high school BFF? I feel like I put too much focus on that one friend and also my boyfriend and just never actually made time for anyone else. I fucked myself over.

like

My roommate has been illegally subletting her room in our apartment (no consent from landlord and up charging as well).

If our landlord/leasing office finds out, could I be evicted as well?

like

Female 🐠 - how bad is dating in nyc in your late 20s - early 30s? I’m going through a break up and obviously not going to look for anything serious right away but just curious on what to expect

like

What is the fastest way to sponsor a pup?

like

Hello All,
Any EY GDS PMO here?

like

Hi folks, my base location as per EY GDS offer letter is Noida but I want it to be Gurgaon as my hometown is in Jaipur and Gurgaon is more convenient for me.. I sent email to my senior manager and got response that you can use flexibility and work in any Gds office in India. However, I feel that in case my base location is not being changed, I should shift to Noida rather than Gurgaon as there might be any formalities or facilities which we need to avail in our base location only.. Any thoughts?

like

How is this service line at EY GDS for a Data Scientist role? EY

Post Photo
like

Are hike and VPB different? I joined in April 2022. I received VPB letter today.

Help me out folks

like

Anyone from CBS ET here? The management is so toxic and pathetic. I want to resign without even having a backup offer. Too scared to take such a step owing to financial responsibilities.
Not able to bear with their shitty attitude.

like

Does oracle has a office at Kolkata ? My current location is banglore , can I change my base location to Kolkata ?

If yes , what's the process ?

like

Have you received the salary today? Got the mail now but no credit yet in account 😕

like

Hello Fishes, Infosys I need urgent help. I got selected as Lead consultant in Infosys with package 29 LPA with 20% variable. YOE is 15 years. Is is as per market standard? Or should I negotiate more ? TIA

like
like

How many years after college did it take you to become an art director?

What is the best airline for consultants out of Chicago for loyalty program optimization?

likefunny

Additional Posts in Pharma and Health Advertising

What are salary rates for an Art Director in NYC these days? $90k $80k?

like

Any thoughts on McCann Health NY, and Red flags? Do they have a good structured/balanced workflow and team per department for things to be balanced out for each member, and good work-life balance? Anything to consider when applying there?

like

Who did the schizophrenia ads? They’re pretty cool tbh

like

Any companies launching a product who will be AOR, & currently looking to fill an SAE/SAM role? In the job market and would love to connect.

like

Is $100K CAD a reasonable salary for a Senior Art Director in Pharma?

like

The relationship with my copy partner isn’t working as I expected. This person waters down every single idea we have. Have you experienced that before? If so, how would you manage the situation?

like

Creatives and Account, what in your opinion makes a client good?

like

Anyone else get annoyed with the constant grumbling about healthcare/pharma work in the main bowl?

like

Thoughts on Pfizer’s canvas for developing emails and iDetails?

Got offered a pharma/healthcare role (currently work consumer side). 15% more than current role, lateral move, remote for now of course. Not sure if I should take the offer or not, given I have no experience in pharma & health. I said I would sleep on it. Advice?

like

New to the industry and wondering what a typical Pharma Copywriter does in their role. A bit concerned about the lack of actual copywriting I'm doing so far.

likesmart

What are some examples of fun and engaging workshop techniques you’ve done virtually? Looking to try something different in our next upcoming client session.

like

VMLY&R has openings in every department! DM me with your information/ resume to be considered.

like

Which agency has the Corona virus test kits account? Any rumblings of which client is working on a vaccine?

like

Thoughts on TBWA\WorldHealth?

A recruiter there reached out to me about a Copy Sup job. What should I be looking out for?

like

Did Pinterest lift their ban on advertising branded/unbranded pharma? It got brought up in a brainstorm today and almost spit out my coffee...

like

Any writers here working remotely full time? If so, how’d you manage to swing that? And is it hard to be a remote writer in pharma?

Feeling like I’ve been “bait-and-switched”…

I’ve been interviewing at an agency with the intention of filling a Director role. Recruitment reached out soon after my last meet-and-greet interview (about 6 to 7 people total) to tell me the team thinks I would be best suited for an Associate Director role with a fast follow of a Director promotion.

Recruitment can’t tell me what feedback is creating this gap but also won’t stop mentioning the positive praise and feedback the team had for me.

like

Any insight into the vibe at Fishawack health agencies near Philadelphia?

like

Anybody know of any art director positions open?

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal