Question on historical figures: If you were a racist, do any of your other accomplishments matter?

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A1 of course it’s different. Banning implies some type of legislative action which is obviously not the case. The proper wording would be that the publisher has chosen not to publish anymore copies of certain titles due to external pressure and “outrage” of books that have been around forever with no issue.

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For Americans, these things almost inevitably breakdown into two groups:

1) People whose ancestors bore the burden of racism/prejudice

2) People whose ancestors were not affected by racism/prejudice

Those in the second group will argue that the accomplishment are worth celebrating, despite the person’s racism.

But it’s a bad faith argument. They can overlook the racism because it doesn’t impact them.

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Yes if they’re really important/necessary but separate the accomplishment from the person

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Separate the person from the accomplishments

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Yes...wtf...

You can question their character/morals, but you can’t discount their societal impact.

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I would say Mein Kampf should be part of required reading. So should communist manifesto, the Federalist papers and anything else that played a significant role in shaping governments, global movements etc...frankly that required reading list should be endless. You can understand how bad Hitler was while at the same time learning about the context, how Germany got to that point and ultimately what the repercussions were/are.

No sense glossing over history because it was bad. I think that does everyone a disservice.

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Of course they do. Gandhi was hideously racist but he still matters (on a non-racist note, James Brown was a musical icon but was also a vicious wife beater. Yet his legacy is intact). FDR was one of our most progressive and transformational Presidents but refused to even touch Jesse Owens, such was his racism. Indeed the US armed forces in WW2 (whose achievements we cannot overlook) were segregated with Black soldiers rarely being trusted to fight.

The sad reality is that horrific racism, for almost almost all of US history, was totally normal. There was a mundane horror in the way people lived their lives in the shadow of slavery. Pointing out that someone in the past was racist, or someone in the 18th Century was a slave owner, is not a revolutionary thing to say. Finding anyone white that wasn’t racist would be a surprise.

We should not ignore their racism. George Washington’s racism (and slave ownership) should be clear to all who study him. But, frankly, the fact a Virginian land owner also owned slaves should not be noteworthy. His achievements as the leader of a revolutionary army and then President of a new republic are almost uniquely successful in history. So these achievements are worthy of study (and, I would say, admiration). But we should also remember he had total contempt for humans of a different race.

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I don’t know cuz I’m neither historical nor racist. Pretty sure I saw someone fits your question on my $$$. You can try to ask them.

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