Trying to do a little market research. I’m a partner at a corporate boutique focused on tech startups, and we’re recruiting BigLaw refugees. Would the following offer be appealing to you?:
-Fixed salary 60% of Cravath scale
-No hours requirement. We expect you to work hard 40-45 hours/week, but we’ll respect your nights and weekends (with rare exceptions), and let you take holidays and planned vacations
-Work from anywhere

If it’s a marginal “no” for you, what would push you over the edge?

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

The salary is too low for 40-45 hours a week. That’s still a 2000+ hour requirement.

Maybe at 80% Cravath. I’d forego bonus for 80% of Cravath.

likehelpful

60% scale is a huge pay cut. 70-75% salary and 50-65% bonus and now we are talking

likehelpful

To clarify, this isn’t *billing* 40-45 hours a week, but *working* 40-45 hours. In our experience, that translates to weekly billables in the 20-25 hour range, but we don’t want our attorneys fixated on billable hours.

likesmart

Seems like a tough sell. Have you thought about just paying an hourly rate + % of any business they bring in? Basically partner-style comp. If work is remote, then what are your main per-associate overhead costs — largely just health benefits? You could say (just spitballing): above the breakeven overhead point, the firm keeps 60% of your collectibles, you keep 40%. Origination is payable by _______. That should give both parties upside benefit and downside protection.

From an associate standpoint, the fear is always that the WLB doesn’t improve enough to compensate for the huge cut in salary

smarthelpful

Salary is a bit low. What's the bonus situation?

like

Thanks for the feedback. Bonus would probably be more like 25% of Cravath’s.

Yes. That would be tempting to me, but would prefer higher salary.

likehelpful

80 or 85% for those hours.

likehelpful

40-45 hours worked or billed? If billed, salary is too low

helpfullike

With remote work hours billed tracks a lot more closely to hours worked. Salary is too low for hours that are actually similar to cravath

helpful

This sounds like a good gig - is this ZwillGen?

likehelpful

I’m in Newport and have a well-educated guess.

like

Want to add - is there a 401k match? Is 100% of health insurance covered?

like

What’s the monthly premium?

As a recruiter, I would not work this role. I’ve worked roles that were - quite frankly - much more appealing from a monetary standpoint and struggled mightily to fill them. Slim to None chance you’ll be able to attract anyone from an AmLaw 30 by PPP firm.

likehelpful

Isn’t this also against your interest since you’d get less? I smell some bias here.

likesmart

If this came with respectable PTO, parental leave and very good health insurance (BCBS PPO, etc.), I think this would be very reasonable

likehelpful

Would be tempting for me. Automatically eligible for bonus?

helpful

Yes, but at a much lower tier. Something like 25% of Cravath levels.

I’ll start tomorrow.

funny

Promotion (counsel / partnership) prospects?

Short answer is yes, but the partnership model is different from BigLaw. There’s a good deal of profit sharing, but it’s nowhere near BigLaw PPP.

Related Posts

Associate/Consultant/Analyst level 2 (one step above entry level) - How is an offer for $110K + 25% yearly target bonus compared to other MC firms?

like

What should be the in hand salary if your fixed component of 30 LPA excluding PF and 32 LPA excluding PF

like

Need a side gig to complement low Salary

Senior Consultant preferably looking for an IT consulting gig I can do in my off hours. Aka freelancing but no luck with Upwork etc...any tips?

I work in Management Consulting at PwC with 3 YOE post MBA in Advisory. I also have 3 years of pre-MBA work ex. Current fixed component of CTC is 22.5 LPA. Bonus was around 1.5LPA.

I have cleared the initial 2 rounds of the EY process. How much can I ask based on my experience and what position should I be asking? Deloitte PwC KPMG EY

Please help me.

like

Alvarez and Marsal is wanting me to come in at an associate level although I’m a senior in Big 4 FDD. Thoughts on this? Person told me associates at A&M get around 90k base plus bonus and seniors there get around 120 plus bonus. Should I push for Senior, and how would I even do that? I already verbally expressed that desire. Should I just wait a few months till I have more than a year of senior experience? Any associates shed light on their bonus? Is it 100% of your salary or more like 20-30%?

like

Curious what other underwriters are being paid. We have had a good amount of turn over lately where people are getting 20K plus more, but the people we are hiring to fill those spots are saying we pay “way” more than their previous role. Seems there is a big gap.

like

Was offered an IR job after my interview and wanted to see how competitive the pay is. 40/hr base + 10k sign on bonus for 2 year commit and of course on call pay, etc... The area is Atlanta, GA. From what I have looked up, it seems to be fairly average since I have no IR experience but have been a Stepdown nurse for several years. I know the southeast in general pays less.

like

Hi, does anyone know the estimated salary for a Specialist Claims Operations Position with @Travelers Insurance?

like

Hello folks, how does a Law Clerk quantify contributions to a firm for bonus review? It’s difficult monetizing how much I deserve when one is in a ‘support’ capacity? Any ideas, please?

like

After put the paper, discuss with HR to revise my compensation, when can I expect to receive revise letter in Infosys.Infosys

like

Change Healthcare … thoughts? Comp structure? I saw a VP position that interests me.

like

Does anyone need a hr coordinator, or entry level talent acquisitions coordinator that is 100 remote? Remote jobs are extremely competitive and when I find job posts on LinkedIn there are already over 100 applicants. Very competitive!I am open minded about salary,I have so much interest in expanding my skills. I have about a year of recruiting in the staffing industry and 6 months as an hr assistant for a corporate/manufacturing company. MA in Hr and will be testing for phr in July. Thank you

like

Anyone care to share m3 salary for cmaas in PwC

like

How much is the starting salary for associates in ad agencies like GroupM and agencies under WPP?

like

I work as a Business Development Manager at a sports club.. I’ve been given a couple of months “trial” in the 6 figure and above sales in which I don’t see going back to my other role on lower sales. This was a somewhat good move for me until I consider missing out on commission each month that was more than my salary. (£25k salary, over £2k per month commission)
How do I go about raising this concern? I believe I should be paid more now and at least change my job title?

like

What is a good base salary for a sr. Product owner?

like

What is the current entry level salary for a designer in NYC at a smaller but creative shop and what is the standard benefit package that comes with that? 2 weeks vacation, 5 sick days, insurance?

I have an offer for a newly created collections strategy project manager at a mid sized credit union for $95k, 7-9% bonus, and 3 weeks PTO.

I did ask to go up to $100k, but was told my offer was already above the target range.

I like the company and my colleagues to be.

Good offer?

like

PI Advisory SAP Supply Chain practice TX non MBA got promoted to Mgr this year. New salary is 124k. Please comment if I am underpaid or fairly paid? Need this info so I can make an informed decision.

like

More Posts

Novice investor here so please bear with me. I opened a vanguard account dec 2019 and invested around $1K..over the course of the year I invested about $68k.. I just checked the total gains and it shows about $10k. That’s about 14% gain via investment in small amounts in vgt, zoom, tsla, ark, vtsax etc..Is it fair to assume 15% gain year over year ?

like

Why do men have issues with commitment? Was dating someone for last 6 months. He says he can’t see the future with me but wants to continue datin🤬 he knows I want marriage eventually. (Contd.)

like

Has anyone did consulting outside of their job on a side gig?

funny

When teaching in school I lose track of time. What are some techniques that you use to stay on track?

like

Hi Fishes,

Can anyone guide me through the interview process for EY Performance Improvement? What kind of questions & case studies should I expect & how many rounds of interview? .

TIA

like
funnylike

We spent NYE at my wife's sister's place who has a 5 and 8 year old. We have a 9 and 7 year old. All the kids like to play video games and have tablets. We are strict with screen time and control what kind of games they play. My nephew's have no time limit and play fortnite all day with voice chat. The entire time the 8 year old has had his headset on while talking about killing this guy and that guy. Now my kids basically hate me because I don't let them play fortnite. Am I in the wrong here?

like

What to wear to a mid May florida wedding that starts early evening ? I was thinking something floral but wasn’t sure. Could I wear a little black dress ?

like

HBAR - remember the name

like

What is the bench policy in persistent? Can we switch to different projects?

like

So I work for a division called “In house services” where I am essentially an extension to my clients HR. My client recent had me source for a Program Coordinator in Talent Acquisition. They just offered her 7k more than what I make. She acts as a support to TA while I do full cycle direct hire & manage a 50+ contractor workforce managing about 30 open reqs at one time. To my employees, I am their HR and Payroll. I know the client TA people make even more. Is it worth bringing up to my boss?

like

Does Novartis provides permanent WFH?

like

How to refer someone in Nagarro? I want to refer one of my friend, pls help.

Hi All! I have an interview scheduled with Spectrum for a HR Generalist position. Can anyone give me more insight on their onboarding process, interview tips or a referral? Much appreciated! (Resume available for review)

like

What do your interns do?

like

Many will become millionaires if SHIB reaches 0.01 come on elon few more tweets 🙃

likeupliftingfunny

Starting at North Highland as a consultant to break into the consulting world. Any suggestions on how to move up quickly? Want to learn as much as possible and jump to big 4.

like

Hello! Compensation references for a Client Insights Analyst position in a heavily-data driven market research company like IRI or Nielsen?

like

Hi everyone, I am currently looking to get into project management in Vancouver or Toronto. Any opportunity would be amazing, thank you in advanced!

like

Additional Posts in Big Law

I know there’s a lot of stats out there about alcoholism in the legal field, but has anyone else significantly decreased their alcohol use? I find it almost impossible to put in bill billable hours while drinking like I used to

like

1 billable hour last week…. 0 so far this week…. Junior in M&A. Scary times.

like

Any insight into the vibe at Littler’s Newark, NJ office?

like

Senior M&A attorney. How hard would it be to transition into a fund? What kind of comp are attorneys pulling at funds? Any insight helpful!

like

Perk no 1 of lateralling:

Being able to flirt (and potentially sleep) with the former colleague(s) you wanted to flirt with without the fear of seeing them again on Monday

likefunnyuplifting

Any of y’all try to make time for gaming? Whether ps5 or a computer game?

likefunny

Anyone else’s fishbowl app not working when you click notifications?

like

When should I start to get worried that corporate is so slow? Have only billed 230 hours for the year so far and it doesn’t seem like things are picking up soon so getting nervous since my firm has a billable hours minimum requirement.

like

The client doesn’t want to talk to me and only wants to speak to the partner—he’ll ignore my emails and ping the partner for the same information. The partner is super unresponsive to everyone and expects his associates to handle stuff. Client is frustrated and I’m stuck and annoyed. What do I do?

like

Hey biglawyers, no one cares about your views on Ukraine. Get back to reviewing those ancillary agreements for Goldman Sachs and KKR

likefunny