When I was an associate at an Am Law 100 firm that did not pay market compensation, and billing 2300+ hours annually, I was told by partners on more than one occasion that firms who paid the "big bucks" (market comp) were sweat shops. Do associates these days ever hear similar comments by partners about higher-paying firms? Just curious.

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Exactly!

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Yes partners still say this crap to associates as a way of not paying them more. Pre covid it was "Oh you're lucky to be here at a lifestyle firm, those other associates in town sleep on a cot in their office, you wouldn't want to be like them." Or "don't do it for the money, think about your professional development here instead of being one of those associates that obsesses about commas and formatting for 2 years before getting substantive work"

The really nasty partners tell associates they can't hack it in a sweatshop and will just come crawling back when they find the grass isn't greener.

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I think it’s a myth. Every gig depends entirely on the individual team, partners, clients, etc.

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I can definitely confirm that at my midlaw firm I’ve been told on more than one occasion that working in biglaw means always working a 2400 pace. When associates left my firm for biglaw, partners would say “so and so will be miserable there” or “hope they enjoy never having a life outside of work.” I always suspected that the career midlaw partners lacked perspective and just wanted to justify their own life choices. The more I interact with the biglaw bowl, the more I realize the critics of biglaw are probably ill informed or are trying to convince themselves of something.

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I was told this at a v100 billing 2400 and moved to a v5 billing 2100. Hilarious. l agree.

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Seems like most firms play this trick on associates….Does that count as gaslighting?

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I worked at an insurance defense firm right out of law school and the partners would constantly say that. I worked significantly less hours for over double the pay when I moved to a V50 firm.

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Yes. Although a small firm, my partners stressed the need to be over 2k a year to keep the lights on. (2nd year at 135k). Partners all biglaw alum and said “you wouldn’t believe what my friends at Quinn tell me they’re required to bill”

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