Caravan : what’s the ideal solution ?

Birth right citizenship is only an issue if you're a racist pos. The amount of individuals who get citizenship this way is immaterial to the total amount of births in America. The 14h amendment only bothers people who feel that POC are some how inferior to them or bring down their "culture".

I think it is unfair for people who have taken the legal immigration approach. I propose the following rule: End child birth right citizenship if any of the parents entered the country within the last 3 years of the child's birth.
3 years should be plenty time for anyone to find a job and sustain themselves if they are unable to find a job or become a burden to society then they are automatically deported. Thoughts??

Damn CG you must be fun at parties.

A1: Paradoxically, suggesting that kind of change is incredibly un-American (i.e. against freedom of speech). So by definition, you’d be one of the first to be kicked out!

K1: This is why people presenting at a point of entry and asking for asylum have their claims adjudicated. Big difference in illegal immigration for “a better life”, and illegal immigration because you fear for yours.

Your proposal is also pretty bad. I have friends who immigrated here legally in the last two years. They’ve now had a kid simply because it happened. Beautiful little girl. Why should she not be entitled to citizenship? Because you want to stop illegal immigration?

Don’t let in. Don’t grant asylum. Simple as that.

We already have a legal immigration process. We already have laws on the books. Not enforcing the existing laws and making special arrangements for people who break the law is how society deteriorates.

We are not a “nation of immigrants”. We are a nation of settlers who have, throughout our history, turned the faucet of immigration on and off. It’s been on for the past 40 years. I’m not even suggesting turning it off, but rather just enforcing the existing laws on the books

D1 - I lived in the UK for just shy of 4 years with EY. My daughter was born there. She is not entitled to UK citizenship because we didn’t live there legally for at least 4 years. Had we stayed longer and passed that 4 year mark she would have been eligible to apply for British citizenship. I think that may be what was being suggested above, except with a 3 year mark instead of 4. I believe the requirements were we needed to be there legally 4 or more years and not be on welfare or receiving government assistance. For people who came there seeking asylum or were on welfare there were other requirements. It is not a terrible idea. It is certainly worthy of discussion

They have to fix their own issues, we cannot.

I love a good road trip!

For me, we need to understand and validate the underlying reasons these people are leaving their original homes to walk to the US. We need to work with those governments to help fix the issues there. So less people seek this kind of route to the US

Then we need to set up a system at the border to vet the people who do want to come to the United States. We need to have them start a process to legally enter the US.

I don’t pretend to know all the ins and outs of our immigration system. I don’t live on a border state so I do not live this issue daily. However I do strongly believe that we are a nation of immigrants who came here seeking a better life. That drive for a better life and the fact that it is possible here more than virtually anywhere else helps make America a great place. So I am very much in favor of helping people legally immigrate here

Them staying in their own homeland

Prefer Toyota Previa, frankly

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Adversity sized gut locker

There are many stories of how befuddled with bureaucracy and cruelty the UK immigration system is, EY1. It’s not a great idea to emulate it.

I agree that ending birthright citizenship is something that can be done and discussed rationally, but this (how Trump raised it) is not a good way to talk about constitutional amendments - with a barrage of invective and outright lies.

You can separate welfare from citizenship. Messing with birthright citizenship is a terrible idea.

That said, we need an actual port of entry for these guys to show up at for asylum claims. This thing is mostly blown out of proportion so Trump doesn't have to explain why Mexico hasn't paid for the wall.

Border wall, minefields, automated gun turrets, armed drones. More personnel in the system to process immigration and asylum request at authorized crossing points. Automatic immediate deportation of anyone not using the proper process.

As for the mess in their home countries, why not march as a group on their own leaders with the cameras rolling and demand change? 5000 people can stage a pretty good size protest in most countries

The 14th amendment is not an issue. It's hard as hell to get non citizen parents visas, yet alone citizenship in the US. Non citizen parents getting visas is not an argument, it's a strawman to push a racist agenda because some people are scared of demographic changes.

Also, the US is not anything like the UK in this matter. We have nothing like the EU system that allows free travel between member countries. It's simply not a problem in the US.

I would be ok with ending birthright citizenship if we had much more open borders, and much easier path to naturalization and citizenship; and if the process wasn't racially biased.