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You should see a career counselor. Work with someone who can review your resume and help you get interviews - I don’t know if that’s your undergraduate career services or a recruiter at this point..: I’d reach out to both. Also know that the advances by your manager were inappropriate and illegal and are not reflective of you. Also, don’t let yourself get wrapped up in workplace politics in the future — you say they didn’t do their part because they wanted to see the manager fail… they could have also wanted you to fail. Some people are just petty and mean. Also realize that getting laid off is not the end of the world - I got let go from my first job as a lawyer (financial crisis) and I was so upset because I couldn’t let myself believe that it has nothing to do with me as a person, even though I understood it. I would be open to all opportunities and see what comes your way. You really have no idea what you want to do, even if you think you have an idea. Be open minded when an opportunity comes up. I had a hard time finding another job after I got let go as a first year associate… the market was saturated with so many lawyers at the time and there was little hiring being done… I ended up taking an internship role (that was paid) to at least have something on my resume, which then turned into a full time job and I’ve been there ever since. It is also not in the exact area I was aiming for at the time.
Maybe try networking with alumni from your school? I hate it when a school doesn’t have post graduate career services! They should be trying to help recent graduates too! It’s probably because they are focusing on current students because those are stats they are measuring.
I saw someone posted on applying for EY entry level - I think all the big 4 accounting firms need associates badly. It could be a stepping stone and I think there will be a lot of “green” or “clean” consulting that will be done with ESG.
Maybe I’m wrong and others can tell me but maybe it’s time to look outside of your degree. There’s so many great companies hiring right now and it’s almost worth giving a shot at something new.
Also if you haven’t already.. update LinkedIn and set yourself as you are looking at opportunities i whatever areas you’d want to work in.
I wouldn’t go back for more environmental based masters then unless you fully know it’ll be beneficial. I would go for mba or something like that so you can get more into other career paths.
I honestly don’t know where to go at this point… Im really tired of terrible work environments and I honestly don’t know where to start… I mean is this just a normal part of life… i have friends who make 3 times my yearly pay, it doesn’t seem like I’m not a hard worker or any less educated.
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Just to understand, I assume that these friends attended the same school and program as yourself?
I would suggest you setup time with your friends and ask them for advice, maybe in a referral to their company?
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It’s so annoying to me that jobs that actually matter (environmental sciences seem to fit the bill) are so hard to break into and the pay is crap while so many “professional services” positions like consulting (hi 👋) you can literally fall into and make so much more money.
My friend has a masters in an environmental field from a school that is well known and connected for that industry and the struggle for her to find a job over the course of almost a year was heart breaking. She’s in a job she likes now, but makes well under half of what I do with just a bachelors.
I don’t have any great answers since I’ve not been in your shoes, but I think she had pretty good luck looking for positions on Idealist (might lean more nonprofit, which obviously doesn’t pay well). Also do recommend reaching out to your school, contacting old professors, or searching for other alumni who are in the same industry to try and make those connections.
Thank you for understanding. That is the truth, jobs that people whole heartedly believe matter and try their hardest to help sustain our society. Those committed to understanding and trying to reverse the detriment anthropologic sourced degradation are very hard to get into, (might sound crazy)but i think large corporations maybe bought them all out to limit their influence on profitable industry.
Start by deciding what role and salary you would work for and having your cv reviewed.
Thank you for the input, that is a start!
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I know this sounds harsh but… majoring in environmental science was a huge mistake. What was your plan with how to make money with that? College is meant to be the way to get a better job and if your major doesn’t directly help with that, then it’s not a good major. You might have to go back to school and pick something else.
If it's so valued, then why are they struggling to find a job that pays above minimum wage? Just follow the facts
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Go back and get a law degree, with your environmental science degree you could crush it in just dealing with environmental permitting / assessments. A friends dad did this for years and said it was almost criminal how much money they can make.
I’m not sure how you’re presenting your background in interviews, but do not mention anything about office politics or sexual harassment at past companies. Fair or not, both will be viewed as red flags. They’ll wonder if you were a troublemaker and would make waves their, you come off as negative, and they’re question your judgement for thinking they were a good idea to bring up. say you really enjoyed the company but want a job with more responsibility that allows you to put your education to use. You could also add that you were laid off at the start of covid
This is hard to answer. There are plenty of positions out there that need filling.
I would break down your life experiences+your interests and life priorities for you to identify the roles you need to target.
Having a degree gives you the basic advantage of not being rejected by some companies that are particular for hiring degreed professionals. Unless you are applying to be a doctor or lawyer, your major doesn't matter much. If you are tactful and a hustler, then your degree won't matter either. No degree doesn't limit you to sales either.
Bottom line it's up to your strategy that will get you your job.
Thank you for the response, that gives me hope. It is so hard to overcome going into debt(continuing education), so you can work to get out of debt in 50 years…
I will keep this in mind as I look for my a job that will lead to a meaningful career.
Hi OP. Please take a look at some job openings at EY on Linkedin. If you are interested, there are many open remote roles within our Learning Enablement practice. Your skills can be transferable.
You can check out a career in commercial real estate assessment / appraisal. These companies often need someone with your background and you can earn quite well.
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What region are you in? My dad is an arborist and got laid off recently and is having a horrible time finding a new job in his new location.
Have you tried looking on usajobs.gov or state agencies? I have a buddy who found a gig in his field (marine biologist). Best of luck in your search.
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Have you tried your local health dept? Engineering surveyor offices? Ask around. Dont be afraid to ask even if turned down if they know of anyone else that might be hiring
Thank you for the input! I will consider both of your recommendations moving forward.
Other than go back to school and get a better paying degree/career, you should consider looking into other fields in the corporate world. There are lots of jobs that I bet you can get an entry level position making 50K+. HR, marketing, etc stuffs that don’t require a degree in the field. Good luck and don’t lose hope!!!!
I can connect you with a friend who works in environment science. DM me for details. She might be able to guide better but i can give advice too. Been recently through job search.
Expand your horizons for the jobs you will take. I was an undergrad in Environmental Science too. If you want to do policy look into government or parlay this into sustainability.
Would you be interested in B4? Certain niche groups within accounting firms recruit staff with science or engineering background. For example, the team works on R&D tax credits needs help understanding and documenting research activities clients perform. Your skill sets can potentially be a good fit for industries like life sciences and energy, etc. DM me if interested.
Feel free to DM if interested, I can share more info and answer questions. Positions for typically for full time though.
There’s some smaller niche consulting firms that work on the environment/natural sciences space - a mutual friend of mine works here but might be worth a deep dive into Google to see if there are similar firms in your area or have remote roles?
https://www.linkedin.com/company/meridian-institute/
Also, I potentially think tanks or firms that would be interested in your background. If you were featured as a contributor in a research paper or you have final projects you are proud of, I’d absolutely have some kind of portfolio on your Linkedin or attached to your resume to speak to your writing and analytical background from college to hopefully leverage an interview.
I got an environmental engineering degree, figured a career in sustainability wouldn't be hard to create. couldn't find a job.
Ignored the fallacy of sunk costs and figured maybe a graduate degree in environmental sciences would help - did not. Luckily I worked jobs and went to cheap schools so graduated with barely any debt.
Taught myself Tech - landed my first job - kept building skills like GIS, CAD, economic modeling to not be a one trick environmental pony - grew in my career - hated the compensation for the amount of work I did and skills I was building.
Being an immigrant on a visa couldn't land any EPA or other gov jobs - so I decided - i was done with sustainability & env and bought my self an old server on Craigslist, a bunch of books, taught myself new skills in tech & SI , networked like hell and got into consulting - haven't looked back.
Lessons for you - embrace the suck. Environmental careers DO NOT pay well. Build adjacent skills like Econ, env law, sustainability strategy, lots of free / cheap training available online. DO NOT get a graduate degree in ENV. Apply to government jobs (DEQ, EPA, FEMA) if you are an American citizen. Watch YouTube vids on building you LinkedIn brand - network - find friends of friends, find alums, ask to meet (call, video) see if they'll refer you.
As a chemist major, I would recommend looking for quality control jobs in food or pharmaceutical companies, they start around ~50k and most employers are only looking for a “science” background. Quality control tops out around 65-70 but you could go into Quality Assurance after that or Research which both offer a lot more $. Best of luck
Interesting post. I know someone in pharmaceutical QA. What do their career options look like in your opinion?