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Just know you now have a target on your back. Leverage can work both ways.
It could be true about loyalty, but I’ve never seen that. We all know that if you’re good, the market pays what it pays. And people want to get paid. So it’s hard to blame people who get offers.
If you’re in a place in life where $20k will change your situation, you can go to your boss and say you got a call, they offered you a lot more but you don’t want to go other than the money, which would make a big difference in your life. See if they can make that decision easier.
But you can’t pull that more than once. And it’s entirely possible that right now they will be unable to match. In that case, maybe they can promise it during the next review cycle. Or maybe not. And you have to decide if you can risk whether they will do it.
So you can try it. But be prepared that it might not happen and you’ll have to leave.
I will always always always take better WLB and better pay over “sexy work.”
Agreed, I’ll do the same every few years to keep my work interesting for future prospects.
Get 1 on one with your boss and tell them you got an offer and tell them you really like working here. If he /she likes you, they’ll try to keep you by either promoting or giving more money or both
I have a hard time believing they won’t act like “you owe me” after they match you. Why weren’t they paying market rate in the first place is what I always say.
Which would give you more long term joy overall and is aligned with your values? You can supplement your current income with other income streams,
Also, no-one’s considered the worst case scenario here. Your current employer says no counter offer and we don’t need your two weeks notice, you can log off end of day (many have security policies or spite). And you haven’t signed or started your new job yet, there goes two weeks pay, OR even worse, that offer gets pulled for some reason. Research the new agency and make sure they’re in good standing.
This is a good point I had not considered
Competitive offers are the only way to get significant raises at WPP agencies. HR folks will flat out tell you that. You will not have a target on your back *because* of it—you already do.
Get the offer in writing, use it as leverage, and be prepared to go to the other company.
This is the same at Omnicom.
Never take a counter offer. Stay and stay underpaid or leave for a better situation. Once you tell them you got a better offer, you are next to go.
Uh, isn’t this exactly why worse agencies offer more money and wlb? It’s a choice.
Does this new job come with a promotion? If not, it’s not forever. The only way you increase your pay and title is by leaving for other agencies. We all have done it. And VPACD1 makes a good point. They may show you the door. No worries, all it means is they never valued you and you’re better off taking the new job.
The market rate isn’t just a number you’re “hitting”. The pay bands can fluctuate a bit based on agency size, market, client(s) (which many times determine $ they have to work with).
Doing a little better work, or getting a little more pay… To me it seems most times a choice you need to make vs having both.
But have the 1:1. Tell them what’s up. Get their feedback.
To CD2’s point leverage can work both ways, which is why you want to highlight how much you like the agency, culture, work and would love to stay.
This is insane feedback. If you’re comfortable leaving, but would rather stay, simply say that. You have an opportunity to make significantly more money, and you need to strongly consider it. But all things equal you’d love to stay on with your team. If your boss wants to keep you, they will try to get you the money. Simple as that. They may or may not be successful.
Also, I suggest you talk to a person irl that you trust about this. You don’t have to take my word, but def don’t take the advice from the rest of the thread without verifying it.
Make sure you're getting things in writing no matter which agency it's coming from. As the saying goes, "Talk is cheap."
Are you really valued at your current agency? If so, I wouldn’t worry about the “target” but you should be prepared for them to say “no.”
If you just want more money, I’d just tell them in general terms that you want a raise. Don’t make it about the counter-offer, just say all your peers are making more, or you’re pay hasn’t changed in x years.
I am actually stunned by both the initial question and all the complicated advice being given on this thread. If you’re talented and at a good agency making great work, if you go looking you will have any number of offers to go someplace with a better work life balance, making worse work for more money. The slang term for it is hazard pay. What a weird post and series of responses.
CD4 - What was Author SAD saying about nuance? I didn’t call them weird. I said the post was weird.
Author SAD - slightly worse versus not leaps and bounds makes a big difference even in how the initial post reads. Clarity just as important as nuance. If the quality difference is negligible then I agree with the responders who say ask for the bump with humility but be prepared to take the other job if your current employers don’t take kindly to the move. And have an offer letter in hand from the new place.
We’re not saving lives here. Take the better pay/WLB and make the best work you can wherever you go. Best of luck
Use it as psychological scaffolding. Don’t mention the offer but ask for a pay rise based on your 12 months performance to date. Suggest your market value is $20k+ greater than your current salary, and see if they come to the party. If they make a counter offer, bring that to the new agency and let them know you’re highly valued in your current role, to the point they’re throwing money at you to stay. This is an opportunity to get as far ahead as you can, so careful not to piss it in the wind.
Go to the new place offering 20K more. You’ve only been at your current job a year? They don’t owe you ANYTHING. A year isn’t “loyalty.” And looking for a new job also doesn’t show them you’ll be loyal in the future, as if that matters at all in this industry anyway. Take the higher pay. If you hate it, at least you made more money for awhile. You can always find another gig in another year.
I’d just say that you really love working there but finances are tight, and you got an offer…
Interesting cause recently I’m in a similar journey. I would challenge you: how much sexy work matters? “Do good work, money will follow” — don’t quite buy that 8 years in. I think peace of mind in not dealing with office politics while you as a creative making whatever brief sexy and still have a WLB is golden.
Just leave, go where they value what you’re worth, aint such a thing as a sexy job, we’re all selling our minds and bodies, as least get paid and get out on time