Wow. Software developer job openings down from hiring frenzy post covid. Is this occupation becoming extinct with AI powered coding tools?

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All this shows me is that there was vast over hiring post Covid and an effort to correct it right now. People aren’t leaving their roles and headcount is deeply reduced. A 10 year graph showing the mid-late 2010s would be more useful.

AI as an engineering tool is not being vastly used right now, so to say SWEs are becoming obsolete is premature.

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Breh, you're living in a dream world. Devs EVERYWHERE are on all job boards and social areas talking about it. It's only people WITH jobs or IN Ai that seem to love this obvious dev-poison

This drop isn't due to AI, it is due to companies making business decisions to slow growth and downsize their employee base. They are doing this to maximize profits and stock price, and because the higher interest rates make borrowing expensive. Then, there is also a lot of political uncertainty, in the USA and around the world.

The problem is that AI may stop this curve from really going back to those higher numbers. The leadership at Microsoft, Meta, and other large companies have come out publicly with comments about how AI will take over coding.

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As someone spending more and more time with AI powered coding tools, I can fairly confidently say they are not coming for our jobs

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Offshoring developers to save $$

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Yeah, when it comes down to $$ many companies are looking to offshore labor costs, not just salary, but insurance, unemployment, taxes etc . Unfortunately we proved we can work from home, so why do they care if the work is getting done off shore if the cost is a fraction of the cost ? - the unintended consequences of pushing for remote work in a global economy

No.

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If you are based in a high cost country- I think it is.
I was a developer moved to tech lead (managed offshore team) then it was “I can get 4 of them for the cost of you”. Did emergency firefighting production down issues. Now I’m out of development all together.

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You’re looking at Offshoring effect to US, not global developer jobs.

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This

I was working after the dot com bubble burst and I only have a software development job now because I kept working doing software development, not because of the pay, but because I am passionate about doing it.

If I lost my job, I would continue doing software development on my own time, maybe create my own business.

I think the big companies like Meta, Google, Microsoft, etc, expect all the fired developers to start their own companies or work for others and pay for their AI products. They are more in the business of AI now than software development.

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Depends on the company where you work. 15 years ago there was a company I worked for as a consultant that had its web site developed offshore in Canada but that changed 9 years later as they were unhappy with the quality control and decided to bring software development back in house. Fast forward to my current position, the company I work at now used to have an offshore team doing software development but decided to close it a few years later after I joined the company because the operating costs involved in keeping that offshore office open, the huge gap in time zones, and the cost of business travel from there to the business unit’s home US based office was not sustainable. In addition, off shore development is not going to sit well with Trump’s America First agenda. The government is going to make it more difficult for companies to do business that chose offshore outsourcing and H1Bs over investing in American jobs.

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So what's the future. What new roles should folks be transitioning to?🤔

You can become a solo dev and use AI to eke out a sporadic income with no benefits (not recommended for renters, the middle-aged, and parents).

You can double down and become an AI expert. This will be a hard road and you will need to spend every waking moment building skills. Expect a lot of technologies you learn to be quickly outdated and/or abandoned.

I don't see much other alternatives. Middle tier devs and entry devs have been outsourced permanently. If these jobs come back, it won't happen until Trump is gone. Easier green cards are coming and there will be tons of immigration of "highly-skilled" workers.

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Looking at all other roles, Surely software has gone down.
But software is also value enablement which is impacted a lot by fed rates. ( No free money)

Agree with D1, a lot of software consulting will move to smaller startups/freelancers compared p maintaining larger teams.

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They have record profits. Microsoft has $80 billion in cash. They bought Activision and lied about keeping jobs to get past regulators. They fired in mass within a year of the acquistion. Wake up.

This is a trend of postings, not a trend of how many software engineering jobs exist.

It is possible that there was a rise in job postings due to software becoming more prevalent (almost every company must have some piece of technology now), then they became filled as more software engineers entered the market due to it being lucrative.

I became a software engineer in 2016 and even then they were talking about the field being saturated, so maybe it finally happened. Especially with the rise of bootcamps.

Makes sense. There is a lot more to the job market than just one graph about how many job postings there are since many things have changed in 4yrs.

Yes. Why are we discussing the obvious extinction like some Amazon worker doding robots "wondering" if stocking is dead.
Yes. CLEARLY

It's not AI Tools, It's supply and demand.

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