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PMP implies PMO roles in consulting involves booking meetings over client vpn and chasing client counterparts. You are better off in Industry at manager level. You will be put down to knees and will be treated as a stepchild after so called better than Harvard selection filtering. Imagine a 10 year younger asking you to edit fonts on slides? It is not easy to assimilate at your level.
Also, do they hire straight to Manager with 7 yrs industry experience, including 3 years team management?
I had 9 years of industry experience, including 5 years of management experience, and was coming straight off of MBA from Top-20 B-School. Came in at SA. Salary range is 110 to 130. Signing bonus of 10-15%
Experienced hire with MBA and 7 years industry exp - feel like a manager but hired in as SC at $120k no sign on bonus. Not ATL but West for project in Midwest.
OP - Msg me if you need referral to D
What’s the typical difference in range between MBA and no MBA? Sounds like with MBA is 110-130, so wondering what the drop is for without?
Op MBA campus hires get 140k plus 35k signing bonus as SC’s.
SC range: 100 - 165k
M range: 135 -190kish
D3 that’s my biggest hang up about all of it. In industry no one cares about an MBA. The hardest workers and the best managers get promoted, and the sign of a successful manager is when you work yourself out of a job (because one of your reports can take your spot and you move onward and upward.) Seems like that’s not at all the case in consulting
PMP is valued in real sense outside consulting. You will know subject matter and add PMO on top of it. You are golden. People hire consulting companies to do dirty work in essence that they dont want to do in many cases (“they cant do” aspect is over exaggerated IMO by consulting firms to motivate their employees). I have seen both the worlds. In consulting your deck building skills and note taking skills sell more- we call them core consulting skills over subject matter. If you get specialist master aka specialist track and manager level, join consulting. Anything below I would not recommend. Consulting is great to gain variety of experience but its better to take this role early in your career, because then you have better choices either to stick to consulting or move to Industry. Going as an experienced hire will get you some experience but you will be dragged down levels from where it will be hard to recover.
Thanks. I’m not MBA but I’m completing my PMP shortly (not sure if it matters.) My contact at KMPG said I’ll likely come in as SA there. Sucks cuz the practice area I’d rather be in only had M position open. I applied anyway 🤷♀️
D1 - I may do that. My original referrer (friend of friend) has gone dark, applied two weeks ago
Yo K1 - anticipating an offer for SA soon. I had heard that signing bonuses at KPMG are rare? Obviously not in your case, could you provide some context?
C1 - not uncommon, but don't be afraid to ask if it isn't initially offered. They often have wiggle room there. They would rather give you a one-time signing bonus than that much more in base salary.
Also, I’m doing the PMP thing because it’s easy and why not have the certification? But it seems like it’s zero help in consulting and only marginally helpful in industry roles
I’ve got enough experience to be considered a SME in customer engagement strategy, retention, etc and it’s something a lot of industry companies what to overhaul, but don’t have the attention span or the funds to hire someone full time to manage. I’ll stay the course with the process I’ve got going with D and KMPG and see what happens. But it might also be worth looking at boutique firms. Or just staying in industry 🤷♀️
OP get an mba, and then you’ll be able to yell show me the money!!!
OP I think you may need to be more targeted in your approach with recruiters at the firms you're looking at to make sure they understand where your experience will plug into their organization. You may be better able to negotiate your way into a manager role that way, or at least come in as a SA with likely quick promo -- it is hard to bring in people at manager or above if they haven't actually been in consulting because they need to know you'll be good on your own with clients, so be sure to emphasize your soft skills there if any. Anyway at KPMG the team that you may want to talk with is Customer and Retail, given the background you mentioned. Let me know if you need a hand.
The group you're looking for is Customer Solutions within Customer & Operations. "Consumer & Retail" is an industry designation, not a group.
Oh yeah k3 has the terms right
Thanks for the help K3. That’s the group I’ve applied to. I was referred in by and MD who’s in M&A so he wasn’t sure how the groups work in C&O.
K2 I’ll definitely walk thru all the details in my conversations with the recruiter