Can someone help me understand why a person who’s biggest reasons (high taxes, high cost of living, and strict lockdown laws) for moving away from their left leaning home state (CA & NY) to a right leaning state (TX&FL) that has little to no state income taxes, low cost of living, and lax lockdown laws still vote left when its those left leaning principles that have driven them out of their home state in the first place? Do they not realize theyre biting the hand that feeds them?

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I’ll give you my best take on it. 1) High Taxes / COL come with major shifts in demographics. When an urban center expands, it needs local tax revenue to repair roads, set up schools for a growing population, run more public transit, etc. Now, people don’t think paying taxes is bad, but CA/NY taxes / COL are egregiously high, which makes people want to move to lower tax areas. Taxes are necessary to run a burgeoning state and city - these aren’t left leaning principles. This is just city planning. We can’t expect a state to not raise taxes if it wants to rapidly expand its cities. However, there’s also a balance. Taxes can become so high to a point where it severely impacts quality of life, which is what we’ve started to see in NY/CA. Right now is the time to get in early in TX/FL, buy a home while prices are good and hope taxes don’t get raised to NY/CA levels. 2) In recent years, the shift in political parties seems to be more about social issues: racial tensions, abortion rights, climate change, minority rights, gun rights, etc. Democrats and Republicans parties have aligned themselves more to these issues than the economic policies of the past. Even though a Democrat from CA moving to TX may hate high taxes, a host of social issues or other economic policies may rank higher than what my state tax policy is.

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Manager - you saying that “Trump is the most pro-gay President in history” makes you sound exactly likes the types of Republicans I fled from as a young adult. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re not - but it is precisely comments like that which put people like me on edge. Trump’s LGBT record to me = open hostility to trans people (including trans folks bravely serving our nation in the military); attempting to allow private businesses to openly discriminate against LGBTQ customers; rolling back anti-bullying provisions; appointing SCOTUS nominees openly hostile to Obergefell and gay rights in general; refusing to acknowledge Pride month; and on and on. Basically - as with everything else - trying to undo Obama’s legacy in a knee-jerk manner because he’s a small, pathetic huckster of a man. And I did read your original post. Why do you think so many of these tech companies are moving to places like Austin - a blue outlier and the single most expensive city in Texas - as opposed to places like Lubbock or Abilene? People and corporations may dislike high taxes and inefficient government - I certainly do - but may still dislike the Republican social agenda far, far more.

Firstly, you’re not actually interested in anyone helping you understand. It’s cute when anyone from the Right claims any irony to anything that the Left does. Anyway, you seem to not be understanding that them moving isn’t because they don’t agree with the need for there to be lockdown rules or with left leaning principles. Places like you mentioned are lively cities that have a lot to offer. People are ok to pay the high housing prices and smaller space in exchange for enjoying the culture and lifestyle that the city brings. Covid took those away (the lockdown rules are just a necessary bi-product not the cause of the problem) so now the high cost of housing doesn’t seem worth it anymore. I can’t wait for all this migration to eventually flip some of those states blue.

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Too late, just take a look at the big cities within Texas (Austin, Dallas, Houston) all left-leaning liberal and it will keep spreading

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I love when the OP makes it really obvious they’re not interested in discussion early on. It makes it a lot easier to resist even trying.

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People move bc they can’t buy a home in CA/NYC. The goal is to move to FL/TX buy a home, vote to make the state blue so that others want to move too, this will increase home prices, then sell the home for a huge profit an live happily ever after

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OP, you keep making this claim but provide no receipts....

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High property values is not the result of high taxes or "leftist" policies. Demand to live in these areas is extremely high. Property values in Texas are much lower. Average middle class tax burden in Texas is higher than in California (last I checked, ~2016 when considering a move from TX to CA).

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Property tax may not be the same in absolute dollars for the same income (I haven't seen data on this, and assessed value is very different from market value, so estimation would be tricky without actual data). I paid 3% in TX. If I moved to CA, I wouldn't get a large enough raise to afford a house that cost enough to meet that. Not even close. When I compared offers (again, ~2016), CA salaries were at most 25% higher, but usually not even that much. If your income is well above median, this doesn't hold and TX has lower taxes.

The majority of you are looking at this with too myopic of a lens, believing that everyone must have the same work situation as theirselves. Not everyone has the ability to work from their laptop. There are far more people who do not have the ability to work from home that were displaced due to covid and the lockdowns, with the consequence being that they were unable to work even if they wanted to.  Ever think that A large number of these people moving to states that have much looser lock down rules or are doing so not because of just the space and cost factor, but just having the ability to live and work? Ive operated brick n mortar businesses full time in the past (still do so on the side) so i have a large network of friends and acquaintances who operate in the small business world and do so full-time. The majority of the ones who stayed in their left leaning home states have seen their lives ripped apart, having to shut down their restaurants, gyms, venue rental businesses, prop rental businesses, etc, etc PERMANENTLY. And no, covid relief money wasnt enough to “rescue them”. To some of them, enough was enough, so they uprooted their entire lives, MAINLY due to not having the freedom to live. Cost and high taxes were certainly a factor but the former was the catalyst and biggest driver, and Im sure itd be the same for many who operate in the non-corporate world who have the ability to work from home. At least more than half of the business owners i know who are located in GA, FL, TX, and Nevada are doing substantially better than the ones coming from far left states such as NY and CA. Not good, but better and still surviving. I can guarantee you many of you here would not have the same sentiments and beliefs about lockdowns and covid if you were laid off for a substantial amt of time and didnt have many options in front of you for making a living.

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CA has 100% mask compliance? News to me.

Yep, it's primarily lower to lower middle income people moving out of CA. I don't blame them, housing cost is the issue. Taxes don't really affect them, especially if they are planing to buy a home in TX that has a 3% tax.

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Mostly doesn't mean only....

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Don’t forget about open schools. That’s the primary reason why we’re leaving a blue state for a red one, plus all the other perks mentioned.

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2020 events just accelerated the inevitable.

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When an area as the ideal living conditions it everyone wants to move there. High demand for homes makes housing costs and other cost of living sky rocket. When that happens those who can move choose to do so (ususlly wealthier, highly skilled workers), bringing their acquired wealth and skill to their new home. At that point the vote for the same policies that made their prior state a highly desireable place to live in. Basically you cannot in a permanently desireable location, and at some point it will get too expensive, so you skip town and try to improve another location that is low cost to meet your needs, and that's how progress spreads. This is why we see CA people movong to other places like Texas.

All of the below reasons were geographical reasons as to why the Navy’s shipyard building during ww2 expanded the base in SF significantly. Policy played a role, but its quite hilarious that youre arguing that it was mainly policy, but if thats the case, then youre in favor of right leaning policies since sf was a republican stronghold during that time. Higher pay in the shipyards was enacted which may have attracted thousands of southern poc to the shipyards during ww2, but the shipyards and naval base was mostly established in SF due to geographical reasons just like in SD, Hawaii, etc. 1)Marinship was one of many early 1940s emergency shipyards established on the West Coast to fuel America’s need for oil tankers and Liberty Ships, or war cargo ships, which, while originally a British design, were adopted due to their fast construction and low cost to produce. 2) The West Coast was an ideal place to establish the wartime shipyards due in part to its undeveloped coastline and thus plentiful space on which to build, the natural harbors present there, and its proximity to the Pacific, so the ships could be constructed and launched from the same point. 3)the Bay Area was well-connected to the nation’s railroads, which transported partially assembled steel parts from steel towns in the Midwest.

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