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Personally, I would want a 20% pay increase to make that worth my time.
Do the math - divide your annual salary by 2000 to get your hourly pay rate (eg 100k/2k=$50/hr). Multiply that by your total commuting time/wk (eg 1 hr each way x 2x/day x3days/wk = 6hrsx$50= $300/wk x50 weeks = $15k/yr. So that's 15% right there - this doesn't include the extra time to get dressed (plus the additional wardrobe costs), grooming expenses (if you're a woman, add in all those extras you do for in person - nails, makeup, etc), either the cost to buy lunch or the extra time to pack one (plus the coffee that you inevitably pick up on the way bc it's just easier), hiring a dog walker ($75-$100/wk is another $5k alone!), paying for gas (at current rates, at least another $200/mo=$1200/yr), wear and tear increases on driving more, etc, etc, etc.
And that doesn't include the mental energy expended doing all of this....or, having to schedule the plumber on the days you're home or having to use vacation to do those things. Add in how it affects your family...
All that being said, if it weren't for a pandemic, we'd never be having these conversations...so, if it's a great gig, WFH vs hybrid is irrelevant - asking for something outside of market and thinking that hybrid justifies the ask isn't gonna fly.
It really depends. Some people don’t mind or prefer hybrid and some people are totally for being fully remote. If someone is choosing to change positions from a fully remote role to a hybrid role I would question the reasoning. Now if the reasoning is more pay which I think is the heart of your question then an increase would be nice to help with the commute but at the same time if you’re changing jobs I think you should always be looking for an increase.
Taking a train is way different than driving, in terms of aggravation. It’s an hour and a half you don’t get back everyday you go in, plus whatever you spend waiting for the train.
I don’t think I would give up remote for less than 15-20% increase
I would say a range between 3-10% to help with increased cost of travel , current situation with my employer but they’re not budging on salary increase
I’m not on the phones and the RTO isn’t as strict in my area. My boss and most of my coworkers are in another office. I am concerned how many folks are going to leave. Plus hearing a lot of places offer more salary, but the benefits aren’t as good. So depends on your goals.
%15 at least. I have to take 4 buses in total just to get to work for 35 minutes each ride. I don't mind not getting a raise as long as I work fully remote. It will be really difficult for me because I have to spend more time making preparations.
Sorry - missed that you'd be taking a train - depending on where you're commuting from, add $500/mo for a monthly commuter pass and possibly more if it's a paid parking situation - that's on top of the added costs to commute to the train...and then any public transport after you arrive at your destination.
So on top of your time (which will be equally impacted with delays whether driving or mass transit - accidents, trees on the tracks, weather, etc) calculation, add another $6k. So some things (hourly rate) can be a factor of percentage, others (train tickets) are a fixed cost.
Add on all the ick factors of being on a train (people jamming their elbow in your face while they apply mascara, the gross sweaty, smelly, person spilling out of their seat, on top of you, constantly being engaged with strangers - whether being spoken to, or having to listen to loud chewers, drunken fools or lecherous creeps and finally, the best, standing room only with people all up on you because you're crammed in like sardines). You are at the whim of someone else's schedule - so that last minute ask at work isn't just a 15 minute delay - it's 1.5 hours because you have to wait for the next train.
If you haven't guessed, there's really no amount of money that would make a hybrid arrangement worthwhile for me...lol. I do not miss any of that nonsense and have turned down offers that require more than a twice a month in person appearance.
Unless you feel sick every Sunday night, thinking about going to your current gig, it sounds like the quality of life tradeoffs aren't worth the "better" benefits...if there's a huge salary bump, maybe worth considering....but if the idea of being on a train makes your stomach churn now, you'll end up hating yourself for it two months in.
...another thing to consider is what you could do with the extra time if you don't make the jump - could you work a side hustle that you could put 100% into a retirement fund? Learn a new skill that could take you to the next level in your career? Finally start a regular wellness routine (something eternally on my radar 😅)...
Personally, I wouldn’t do it.
To me, time is more valuable than money.
If I was FORCED to do it, and I had tried finding other jobs and got rejected and literally had no options, then I’d take as much as I could possibly get my hands on.
I would probably ask for like 10% increase. It depends on how much you make though but nothing less than like 10%. Especcially with the way gas prices are.
Well, I would want a 10-15% raise and start my negotiations there but getting around the 3-5% mark might be more reasonable as the economy is starting ti decline
10% on top of any increase I was looking for to change companies.
I’d need at least 25% more to get up, dressed, make up put on, gas in my car, risk having a car accident on my way to and from work, and having to put up with other employees. But that’s just me! Lol