How do reference calls work when making a lateral move? Maybe naive on my part, but I was thrown off by being asked for references that they can call post-conflicts process because I feel like I would only list people after I formally give notice, and those people probably won’t really like me after I do and so I wouldn’t want them as a reference.

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I’ve made several lateral moves over the years, and each time I used former partners or senior associates that had supervised my work and had left the firm already. That way I could reach out without letting anyone at my firm know.

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When I lateraled to my current firm I was in a bad spot reference-wise. I had worked at a midsize firm for a year and a half early in my career, but when two partners left that firm to start their own firm, they took me with them. I couldn’t use any of the partners at my old firm as a reference because they were salty I left, but I didn’t want to use the partners at my then-current firm because I didn’t want them to know I was leaving (they planned to call before making an offer). For the first firm, I wound up using an associate I worked with who had since become a partner at another firm and hoped the fact she’s a partner now made up for the fact that she was only a peer. For my then-current firm, I used an associate who had moved on to go work for the government. I wound up getting the job despite not having a reference from a supervisor, so I think as long as you have people who worked with you who have good things to say, it will be fine.

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Second this. It’s a real concern in smaller firms or even smaller offices. If I know someone reacted poorly when other folks gave notice, then I don’t trust them for giving references.

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My understanding is that asking people at your firm for references is more or less informally giving notice. They won’t suddenly hate you for leaving people do it all the time

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I had thought that the firm / partners would say that you should ask your new firm to call HR.

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Tbh this is what I would have expected

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I have never heard of a v50 firm doing references? What kind of firm is this?

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I assume this is GDC, as I remember this when I lateraled. I don’t know if they actually called them. I just gave them two partners I had a decent relationship with.

100% standard. And law school professors won’t do. Go to the people you need to list, tell them you’re considering an offer and why that’s so, thank them for everything they have done and ask if they will be a reference. Unless they are complete di€ks they will say yes and even some of the complete di€ks will do the same. We don’t take job movement personally.

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Does HR of new firm usually make those calls? Or is the partners at new firm?

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References for folks at your current position or general professional references?

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