How have you gush found progression in your careers? Is it relatively straightforward or do I have to do as much extracurricular work as everyone says?

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It's there but you do have to work a little for it, at least show the interest and the eagerness to step up in your career and people will be more inclined to give you those higher roles.

So I’ve been showing that a bit more recently which is good, sometimes still doesn’t feel like much though.

I wouldn't expect things to ever be straightforward. I mean, they are to some extent, of course. But it's also like the old Dylan line, "take what you have gathered from coincidence." Sometimes things happen in one's career because of seemingly random encounters and just by being open to serendipity.

That’s kind of how I got to wear I am, I didn’t really mean to it just happened through circumstances!

Talking and asking about it. Some are better than others when it comes to helping me out with that. It’s a hard line between just doing a ton of extra work and it mattering to move ahead.

Shadowing is such a great opportunity, too. Whether it’s a role or task you ultimately want to pursue or not, just getting to see how other people operate for a day is nice.

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