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Ageism laid bare. This is the sad reality of the business. Agency leaders who linger into their 60s, who have completely dismissed the value of their contemporaries to keep themselves afloat. Shame on you Mark Read.
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My opinion: If it turns out that you need the title to do your job, you can ask for it when that becomes clear. Otherwise, it’s just an ego thing. It may be that the company makes no distinction between Art Director and Senior Art Director. If the money and responsibilities meet your expectations, what would you lose by waiting?
Do the best job you can and it will all sort itself out. You’ve already accepted so don’t back peddle, could send the wrong signals. Let your work speak for itself.
So you accepted before negotiating the title? This is something usually done as part of negotiating salary etc. If you feel comfortable enough to ask, do it. Titles do mean something, don’t doubt that.
Bring it up now.
Keep what you have. On the hiring side, this has happened to me three times. The titles we were offering were actually correct according to our internal job descriptions however we accepted to give the more senior titles as they insisted for reasons similar to yours. However this meant we were annoyed as in our culture you prove yourself then get title, and most importantly they were immediately being evaluated according to their senior title. This put them in difficulty in all cases. In one case we had to go down again with the title. In one case the person was moved to a different role. Suggest to start with current title trusting your employer knows what the titles in their organisation mean and make your boss realise you are more senior than they thought if this is the case. They should be fine changing titles quickly as relatively easy and will allow you to have the opportunity to exceed their expectations!
100% agree.
All of the a above... or just keep your title as you have it on LinkedIn
Or is it kind of irrelevant? I haven’t started yet and thought it would the right moment to ask. But I don’t know if the request could be interpreted as me being pretentious. I know titles are basically just words — but I have earned my seniority through the years and would like keep that element in my title. What do you guys think?
You must be interviewing at The Richard's Group. Good luck with that.
I work both as a creative and as a manager. I’ve worked in-house and at agencies. If you have a good manager, they will recognize your abilities and reward you. If you ask now, you’re going to give them reason to wonder why you’re just now bringing this up, starting off on an awkward foot. Levels of titles mean very different things at different companies. I’ve worked at places where people take mega title cuts just to work there. It’s not about the title; it’s about your work. Savvy recruiters see through that. So go make some amazing stuff and dazzle them. As well as the next folks looking to hire.
I hope your previous agency is happy for you and might take some pride that they helped you get where you are. If the opportunity felt like a good one, you did the right thing, and there’s no need to worry about the past. Go get ‘em!