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That’s kind of the whole point of going freelance. They also aren’t getting your benefits. I would focus your negotiations on your contributions and experience and not on what others are getting.
In addition, freelancers may not be able to fill all their time with billable hours. In between jobs, they also have to do their own marketing, billing, etc. - which brings their actual hourly rate way, way down.
In addition to what others have said, I’d also add that 8 years is a lifetime when it comes to experience.
Freelancers come out of a different bucket which impacts company financials differently from FTEs.
The additional right years of experience also commands a premium because execution is key. great ideas are necessary, but not sufficient, for value delivery.
You can say whatever you want, but if you’re a staffer complaining that freelancers get paid more than you, you’re just a whiner who doesn’t understand how employment works in ad agencies. (i.e. you’re proclaiming your ignorance, which seldom results in a raise)
with 8 years more experience than you, you should be happy they're only getting double. also what everyone else said about freelance rates not being comparable to fulltime.
No because everyone knows freelancers make more money per day, with the tradeoff being they have no benefits or job security like you do. Its their job to come in and do well and then leave, so if youre thinking its an “unfair” situation youre right—but wrong to think it means you deserve more money.
Echoing what others have said. There's always a risk that your manager says, "ok, be a freelancer then," and writes you off.
As most have said you may want to educate yourself on how freelancing works before you compare yourself to one who also has 8 more years of experience than you do. To go into a negotiation with comparing yourself to the person you described is a bit petty to be honest and would probably result in you not getting the raise. I suggest going in focusing on you. If you find out that someone with your same level of experience and workload gets more money you can use that as a comparison.
I’m a freelancer, and yes.. I make more than my FT team members.. But I NEVER know what will happen next week, or even tomorrow! I’m the first person they will let go. You’ll always make more $$ freelancing.. but you have so much to pickup as well (healthcare, liability insurance, all my equipment, all my licenses/subscriptions, programs..)
If I knew what I knew now, only 3 years ago. I’d be thankful. Don’t get carried away with what other people are earning. Do your research, there’s plenty about pay brackets for years exp, but there are lots of others to consider. Who’s getting you in? Why? What have you done? If it’s one project that makes you think you’re worth what they are worth. Then you’re probably in the wrong place.
There are extremes of course, but things increase rapidly after 5/6 years and when you leave you need to be able to justify what YOU earn. Not what someone else earns.
No one cares that you earned X because someone earned Y. Show me what your worth and I’ll pay you that.
and in 8 years so can you...maybe sooner.
For reference we both pitched for the same project but mine was selected
I would see that a freelancer worth their salt with a large amount of experience with a proper brief can sometimes be faster on a project. They may or may not have a point of view that’s outside the agency that maybe invaluable.
Whether they are doing the same job, there is a reason. Maybe they work well with the team and produce results. Or they are good at negotiation.