If you lose your job due to your rating, is it considered a lay off or fired?

Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

Fired

like

You ask, I answer.....you can spin it however you want. It all depends on the story you sell.

like

Fired for sure. If you're let go due to performance issues (low rating) you were fired. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news bro

like

^yep, there are very few ways to receive it if you voluntarily resign

like

It's often called 'counseling out'. Companies don't like to fire people unless there is solid cause, usually for very bad things.

like

@PWC2 prob not. Atleast with D's policy, they don't disclose why they separated you from the firm

like

@D3 that may or may not be true. Does D call their severance salary continuance?

like

Yes, and yes it is true. You don't continue to get paid when you are fired. If you do continue to get paid your are being laid off.

like

Hmm ok

Tough to say these days. If laying off due to financial reasons, I'd say laid off. If due to performance, I'd say fired. The distinction is people have been 'forced ranked' to force attrition (i.e. People that under normal financial circumstances would be ranked a 3 may now be ranked a 4 to set layoff targets). You should know which you fell into. Either you had performance issues and that led to you getting fired, or you were a lower performer that got caught in a layoff.

Severance?

Do they give you the option to resign so you can avoid the 'fired' label?

Probably, but wait and see what the actual reason given is. A lot of times they may still put it under layoff. It can be both.

And either way, you'll be fine

Is this in regard to unemployment payments? You will be fine either way

^correct

^ one note-if you resign usually you do not get unemployment. Laid off or fired you usually get it unless it was for something like theft, drugs etc.

"Performance issues" is also squishy though. If partners can't sell business (and therefore your utilization sucks) that could negatively impact your rating (even if all your reviews are stellar). I'd call it a layoff and figure out the best way to spin it moving forward. Quitting doesn't make any sense financially since you won't get unemployment and might have pay back signing bonuses and the like.

Its what pwc1 said, your story, u can also say u were too good for them

D2 Isn't there a risk of future employers verifying and finding out it was a firing vs a layoff?

Related Posts

I think I have work trauma not sure how it’s clouding my ability to make decisions. I’ve had unstable work after being laid off from a company 3 years ago. I thought I worked out a plan to get to a stable place but my job is proving to be unstable yet again. I secured a FT role at another company but because it’s a lot less money I’m unsure because I feel very cynical about companies in general. I assume it’ll be just like all the rest but now I’ll just be making less and could get laid off.

like

Entering my 15th week unstaffed for the year. Does Deloitte do layoffs for low utilization? Mine is around 60%

like

A reminder to all: we are going through very difficult times. Please help someone who has gotten laid off if you can!

like

Hi all, i was fired today because i said the truth!! Isn’t that interesting?

like

Are BAs comparatively safer than Dev’s when it comes to layoffs?

like

My managers manager is getting fired. Am I screwed?

My managers manager is the chief revenue officer.

likefunny

Is there mass layoffs happening in the industry right now? Is the rumour true? Are we back in a recession?

like

Hows the industry doing in MENA right now? Any worries about a potential crash? Are firms still hiring? Based in the US and everything is tense here with the recent tech layoffs

like

S&P Global Hey everyone, Heard this rumour that huge layoffs are going to happen in S&P global india....can anyone give heads up about this ?

S&P Global

helpful

How terrible is workers comp defense? Got laid off and I’m assessing what jobs I want to go after and which ones are backups if I get desperate.

like

Resume question I've had three positions over my career one of which lasted 3 months and that I got fired from, the job search took an additional 2 months. Is it worth it to leave the 3 month stint off my resume? It might be easier to explain getting fired then a 5-month gap I was thinking

like

What are some reasons you’ve seen people get fired for? And how long did the warning process take, if any?

likehelpful

I have not been on a project for over 3 months. Since I joined, I have been put in training. The training got extended by a month and now it's close to 4 months since I joined and without a project.

What should I do? People say that I'm lucky to get paid without doing any work, but it is stressing me out. I need the experience. The uncertainty is freaking me out, with rumours of layoffs and the certification program and all.

How do I get into a project? How long do I have to wait more?

The partner in charge of my office had a nearly hour long conversation Tuesday with our new hire, behind closed doors. I didn’t hear yelling, but the bits I heard weren’t good. Will he be fired?

like

It’s hard to be motivated when rounds of layoffs happen and you see all your friends leave. But one thing that’s gotten me through all of this is working out. And when I say workout I mean the most pathetic, sad, barely completed beginner-level cardio dance routines. I’ve somehow forced myself to move while on lockdown and it’s somehow forced me to feel better. Whatever you’re doing, wherever you are: get up and move even if you don’t finish or end up going on a walk. Pls take care of yourself❤️

like

Hi,
As of now I got into PIP so does it indirectly means that i will be fired.?

All these layoffs reminding me that loyalty is dead

like

Constantly worried I’m going to get fired because I don’t know where I stand at my mid sized law firm (second year associate).

like

I was laid off from Deloitte in the 18th. I have an interview with Amazon for a Senior Program Managers Non Technical position with Amazon hiring manager on Monday. Any advice would be much appreciated. I would love to get into Amazon. I hear their interview process is brutal.

like

Is Paytm payment bank a safe option to join? Heard about the layoffs, poor wlb and culture. Genuine reviews please?
Paytm

like

More Posts

What will be the in hand salary for below offer(excluding retention and monthly, and quarter ly performance bonus), considering I will declare 1.5 lacs in 80C and 15k for health insurance premium.

Thanks in advance. Need help on urgent basis

Post Photo
like

Window was dirty, but ATL lightning up a parking garage in flight path in honor of Kobe

Post Photo
like

Does anybody have a good lead on an unconscious bias training resource? Im trying to find something for our 50 person agency on the west coast.

Ready for winter break?

like

Ok folks...I’m supposed to be working, but instead I’m getting beat up and chased down by my daughter as I prepare to dig into some of these questions you all have. So... you ask...I’ll answer!

Post Photo
likeuplifting

Oleh Chadash here. Just landed last week and looking for roles in data analytics. Any lead, tips, advice?
Todah

like

How can we integrate retry api call 2 times if it fails and log exceptions only once in .net core. Infosys Tata Consultancy Cognizant EPAM Systems EPAM Anywhere Microsoft Amazon i don't want to change existing logic and add code to multiple api for the retry logic

like

Hii fishes
Please help me to unlock chat

like

Feeling discouraged. The office brought in multiple new agents; open houses were gifted to them along with prime time. Plus, my superstar agent coworker and mentor quit! Advice? *be gentle with me*

like

Hello fishes,
I need referral for a role at @CommonWealth Bank of Australia
Can anyone help me out ?

like

Holy crap. Is everyone else here as busy as I am? When do you draw the line?

likefunny

My H1B petition is approved( visa processing is left). What are the next steps and timeline? Should I retrieve my resignation in hope of this?

like

What’s your best advice for dealing with an insufferable manager? I’m being gaslit and micromanaged to wit’s end.

like

What tax issues uncovered during tax DD can affect the FDD report?

like

Can we avail casual/ earned leaves in notice period in VWITS ? Asking for a close friend,he couldn't find any document in HR portal

like

I have a Deloitte PDM offer. I’ve read about the positives/negatives and I’m so torn. When my recruiter says I’ll have “144 hours” of PTO (18 days), will I definitely still run into the utilization trap of not being able to take it? Are all projects 40-42 hr weekly caps? Third question: I’m new in the DC area, are PDMs invited to firm socials? Trying to make friends! Thanks in advance

like

Any M or Sm who are looking for a business analyst? I have 8 YOE as a BA.bangalore location.

Looking for a change. Pls DM me. No referrals pls

Looking for data visualization or reporting analytics projects

Expected salary offer for a C role with 5 YOE (consulting) at Deloitte S&A (ccg)?

like
likehelpful

In an attempt to revitalize this bowl
26m seeking opportunity in the relationship sector. I used to be am event coordinator so I have years of exp planning dates. I enjoy relaxing at home but also adventuring into the outside.
If you or anyone you know is looking for a partner in this market please refer me.

like

Additional Posts in Consulting

A quick note about what I’ve experienced, in my decade long career, is the real advantage of MBB or FAANG - it gives you a shot at stretch roles that are outside your expertise. Not all the time or even most of the time compared to better candidates with specific experience for the role but gives you this wildcard shot at a vast array of opportunities.

like

See y'all in the terminal tomorrow am

like

Thoughts/reviews on Indian Matchmaking?

likefunny

Real consultants wear nice, designer shoes. Your rubber soled Rockports are cheesy.

like

Is it possible to move from Deloitte UK LLP to deloitte India within 1 month of joining?
Deloitte

funny

Entering my 15th week unstaffed for the year. Does Deloitte do layoffs for low utilization? Mine is around 60%

like

Being an adult is overrated

like

A reminder to all: we are going through very difficult times. Please help someone who has gotten laid off if you can!

like

midnight flight sfo-ewr is awesome until it gets delayed to 1:30. every shop closed by 11, fml.

like

All these layoffs reminding me that loyalty is dead

like

Deloitte people. I confirm layoffs of 4 ranked individuals and this year it's been hard rankings. Many 3s forced into 4. I was on the calls. Beware. Not trying to scare. Sharing facts.

like

About to fly out of MCO. Please keep me in your thoughts that I won't punch a tourist.

like

The Mcallisters house 🙌🏻 #goals

like

The new grass protection panels on the small really emphasize the small crowd size. Thought it'd be much more bigly. So much white space - SAD!

like

Best consulting firms to target for Supply Chain & Operations Strategy apart from MBB after graduating from MIT SCM

like

Has anyone moved states and changed their home office / region? (Personal choice not project driven)....If so, what's the process? What approvals are needed?

like

Anybody successfully used the AmEx Platinum companion pass benefit? So many restrictions smh

like

Do you think firms should pay the same salary to everyone at the same level, or allow for variation within a band based on experience?

like

No promotion for me...time to quit!

like

A friend of mine from a top tier consulting firm was counseled out. Do you consider it ethical that his career counselor is intentially spreading the information to his colleagues and to other consultants from other companies in the project? What can he do about it? Specially that he considers the potential layoff is purely based on the current situation (chargeability was low) and not on his performance (they said that his contribution to BD during his bench time was low)?

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal