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Any work or use to work at Chartwells K12
What jobs are currently paying 85k?
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Unfortunately some companies are so confused that they want experience for an entry level job, and consider anything an entry level job until they’re senior lol
Coach
That’s what it seems like - much confusion going on.
Mentor
Depends on the field. Certain fields of work would see 3 years as green whereas others would call in an established professional. Just depends on the complexity of the job focus.
Coach
It’s hard to gauge.
Subject Expert
I agree "Entry Level" implies no experience or limited experience (e.g. a degree and an internship). I think 3 years puts you in the range of "Junior," though it isn't uncommon to be promoted to "Midlevel" by 2 years and "Senior" at 5 if your performance is good.
Coach
That makes more sense to me. Makes it difficult finding a job that is higher in the ladder.
It’s the market/economy right now. A lot of our clients have eliminated the true entry level positions from their scope entirely. In the US they’re starting roles are at senior analyst, so 2-3 years experience, but with no one reporting to them. In this sense, senior analysts are the new entry level. It allows us to secure higher budgets for their salaries, which is great, but the clients don’t seem to see the value in funding people with no experience. They’d rather the entry level work be done by an intern, or an offshore team.
So some of it’s positioning.
The flip side of this is that what’s out there is positioned and treated like entry level, by some companies.
Coach
It’s hard to keep
Up sometimes!
I think it varies a little field to field and by company, as well as your education and depth of your experience. Below is a base guideline I've seen followed for IT analysts. Keep in mind, the breadth of experience matters also; managing a larger implementation as a manager gives your experience a little more weight than the experience of just managing steady state projects. Also, some companies have min experience guidelines for roles for compensation reasons. A friend of mine had to wait until she had hit her anniversary of being in the industry to be eligible for a promotion because of this. Doesn't seem right, but it's something I've observed.
Associate Analyst - no experience
Analyst I - 0-2 years
Analyst II - 2-5 years
Sr. Analyst- 3-5 years
Manager - 5 +
Sr. Manager - 7+
Coach
This is helpful. Thank you
Ameriprise - don’t get too discouraged. You will get ahead too. Remember to negotiate for the pay you want. Say things like “roles I am interviewing for are offering in the range of x-z per year depending on base comp and bonus. What will you be able to offer?” Instead of “I’m looking for…”
The title may not matter much right now. But focus on the comp.
Coach
Great way to look at it. I’ll try to focus on that comp! Thank you!
Entry level is 0-3 yrs
Coach
I am hopefully growing out into experienced. It’s just some postings say 5+ years for entry level.
Entry level is 5 years of experience or less
Coach
😭 what do you say a fresh out of college person considered?