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It's not you. I'm not old enough to remember the societal shift after Columbine, so I'm not sure about that but I do remember the post 9/11 changes and beyond. The world has become a harsher, less connected place. I'm terrified of what that means for our future but I have no idea how to change it back to what it was.
A history teacher once told me that JFK's assassination caused Americans to lose some of their innocence/naivete and things have just been getting worse since then. I didn't understand what he meant at the time, but I fully believe it now. We've lost our sense of optimism and the cracks in our society are becoming more obvious by the day. I appreciate the knowledge that this has brought but I hate the pessimism and sense of hopelessness that comes with that knowledge.
I would like to add when cell phones and texting became the norm. At this point, those who adapted to this tech no longer spoke to others a great deal, and focused on a phone with their heads down and texting or responding to posts. Somehow we lost a part of our ability to socialize with others.
I think 9/11 broke the country when it came to our strategic direction. For a long time, our strategic plan was simply "we need to beat the Soviets." When the SU collapsed, we had a brief decade of optimism but 9/11 crashed that down and we didn't know how to respond to such a new and different enemy. In reality, we should have pivoted to combating China right away, and by not doing so in the 1990s, will be a huge mistake looked at in the history books.
For work related, I actually think the above isn't really it. My hypothesis is the death of the defined benefit pension plan. There just isn't any real incentive for employees to remain loyal, no incentive for employers to care about long term retention (which keeps wages down and significantly shifted the power dynamic to companies wrt to hiring and firing). We're now really seeing the effects of this as about an entire working generation is starting to retire on defined contribution plans, etc.
Agreed. Our grandparents, and some of our parents, worked for a company their entire lives. The employer retained employees with a pension or, eventually, a 401K, and employes remained with their employer for a lifetime. There was a certain push/pull, but loyalty both ways. There was grumbling at times from both sides, but the loyalty remained. We also did not see extended hours of work as we do now (in some sectors there was, but not the norm). This is long gone. An example provided to me a number of times is the newer attorneys not being concerned about job hopping. They are more cocerned with having an actual life outside of work with their families.
They took God out of society and we are left with nihilism and cynicism. America (the world) needs to return to Christ.
The point is that goodness and faith are not competing principles. Parents and society can and should teach civic values. Whether you like God as the way to do that is up to you. It sure works for a lot of people, as a sort of parable for what civic values should be. It's not required but if it helps some people figure it out I'm not opposed to it being applied that way.
I understand. Things shift and change. I was in college when both columbine and 9/11 happened. My kids will never have the innocence of a childhood that I had. Even when there were good moments in the last 20 years, the worries have shifted as core values have changed and ultimately we are living in a society with a loss of tradition, more selfishness, and social media destroying being present. I personally find the political climate hard to deal with (and the fact it’s supported so many). It’s insane you can work as a lawyer and still not have the means to get ahead. This was a rambling and incoherent mess. But I get it. I wish my kids could grow up in the times I did.
We’re still privileged. Not far back when WWI broke out, followed by flu pandemic, prohibition, women getting more rights, depression, WW2, segregation, Cold War, Vietnam War, etc. Our generation before you and I didn’t catch a break! Def true for men.
I actually think that's the problem messing with our minds: we are too privileged. Think about it. The wealthiest countries are the ones with the highest depression/mental health issues. The poorest countries have the least depression/mental health issues.
It is called alienation and Marx figure this out a long time ago.
I think you would need to argue how this is not cyclical/ perception of each generation and not a real change. Some people look at economic statistic to say overall humanity is better off than say 20 years ago. I do share your thought bur curious if there’s any counterargument and if it’s just the result of experience and getting older.
I’ve been around since the 70s and have lived through & observed multiple generational changes — this is different. Very.
I agree, I feel it every day. COVID has definitely put the world into a tailspin that will take years to recover. Before COVID, people were nicer to each other and cared about each other. Now, it is a world of selfishness and narcissism.
I read the Story of B by Daniel Quinn recently and it made it make sense. He proffers it as a cultural collapse.
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We're going through the great awakening. Most of the things we've been taught are a lie, designed to control and manipulate the populace for the benefit of the very few.
The monetary system is on the verge of collapse, and hardly anyone realizes it. AI coming for everyone's job within the next 5-10 years, if not sooner.
Trust your intuition that things feel off.