How do people doing PI defense / insurance defense work like what they're doing and hows the pay generally speaking? I took an interview thinking I wasn't super interested but then after speaking with them, I thought the work seems like good litigation experience and the partners seemed nice / like they respect a good work/life balance so I'm trying to get some more perspective on it...

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I am not thrilled about the pay regarding where I’m at but it is not terrible in my opinion for just starting.
I too went into the the interview not super interested but the work life balance is appealing. The firm I am at does a lot of fraud and breach of contract work for insurance companies regarding claims but we do some litigation.
The work is similar every day but not every case is the same. I find it interesting and I don’t have strict deadlines or a lot of pressure to be going 100 miles an hour all the time.

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Pay is pretty low. I have a great WLB though. I leave around 5:30 and rarely work weekends. I do try to respond to emails until 9 PM. It’s a ton of experience and if you like litigating it’s a sweet deal over state attorney of PD pay. My firm has incredible people and I genuinely like most of them. Our culture is next to none.

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I was offered 90k as a first year in new jersey with pretty nice benefits

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Definitely depends on the firm and location. But from my experience at a prior firm, great hands on litigation experience - you will have client contact and be doing deps, motions, motions hearings, maybe trial (as opposed to just research and doc review). Downside is it's usually lower pay bc insurance rates are low and you will often have a heavy case load. I don't think an ID firm is necessarily going to keep you from career options - my last firm had lots of great associates and partners that went to market paying big law firms.

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If you go this route, try and stay away from basic motor vehicle accidents and things like that. You’ll have better mobility when and if you try to transition out.

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OP I think it matters what firm it is and the area. I did MVA and first party property and the turnover for that is just incredible. I've worked at major ID firms in FL so if you're in FL feel free to DM.

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It's just miserable. You have 60-80 super active cases each with a case management order. Clients are totally unreasonable with their expectations. Left that area of law a few months ago and never been happier. Pay is also shit since your billing rate is in the mid 100s. Firms want 200 hours a month as a result

run. run now.

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ID is typically thought or with car crashes and slip and falls but I do a lot of EPLI work and it’s a huge growing field. My clients are municipalities so we get constitutional claims, EPLI, and torts. Plus some clients we build relationships with start privately hiring us for other type of work outside of the insurance coverage. Rates are low but you don’t have to do any business development really and bills get paid on time.

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If you are interested in joining ID we have quite a few open positions in First Party Property Insurane defence that only require 185 hours per month and you get bonuses on top of that if you bill anything higher. Culture is great and tons of training available. Lots of growth potential too!

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DI can be a great first job for experience, but the pay usually isn’t great and the hours can be tough. I don’t recommend it for someone with a young family if the hours are high. You can get a lot of valuable experience though that many firms like to poach from at the 3-4 year mark and you can usually move somewhere with lower billables and higher pay. That is more the case if your are doing professional liability work instead of casualty (Mva and asbestos).

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^ FPP is an utter nightmare and your clients (insurance companies) do not leave you alone. You don't learn shit. There is barely any case law so legal research is non existent. The work is extremely cut and paste and not challenging. What is challenging is keeping up with your super high caseload. If you can get into commercial, employment, or business law through ID then it can be worth it. But to do FPP and PI you are setting yourself up for a long, hard journey out.

Where do you practice law? Which state?

I hated ID.

How do we get out of ID? It’s been an absolute nightmare trying to leave.

That stinks. I have got lucky to work with a couple that got me out of ID. I wouldn’t work with someone that wouldn’t help me get out of ID.

Thanks everyone, I got an offer so now I'm contemplating 🤔 its my first offer but I have 3 months at my current job to decide

What is it about ID that you dislike?

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