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Market today is not as strong as it was three years ago. Look around…lots of talent out on the street looking for jobs. That is driving wages down in many sectors.
I get it…you want paid. You deserve to be paid.
Negotiate based on your contributions, teamwork, and desire to be a leader. Focus on positives. As the market heats back up, go after what you feel you fully deserve.
Keep pushing for the position. But start looking for other opportunities.
Give him the verbal reassurance. It doesn't cost you anything. Push for the match plus cost of living difference. Asking doesn't hurt you. Tell him that you'd be happy to give the commitment if the company is committed to you, which they could demonstrate by offering you what the previous role holder made scaled by yearly inflation.
Yes, this would concern me. My question would be whether this position be reviewed for salary adjustments when successfully increasing corporate profit margins. And would he be the executive that will make the decision? Sometimes its a test to see if it's just a salary, not a career.
Follow your instincts, and try not to look at race as a negative. Granted, sometimes it's just that but be open-minded to believe your skills should demonstrate a willingness to work with all cultural differences.
Let your skills so who you are
Would you feel this way if your boss was the same race as you. You may be standoffish. Self-awareness is a hard lesson learned, but it's times like these to self reflect. And yes, you need to get the other 10 percent. Pushback for your worth! I had to haggle an extra 10 percent from my white boss, and I am white. Don't let society keep making you feel that it's just you. It's everyone.
Agree but we're not there yet when it comes up in conversation that was not even part of the problem to begin with.
I would ask him why he thought your desire for the position and your retention in the position would be questioned? Ask about his expectations that would prove that you want the promotion. He may be planning to make you work longer hours to prove your desire/worthiness for the promotion and not promote you. There are many AH bosses out there like this.
After that, advocate for yourself for the higher pay, list your skills (hard and soft), etc., but only if you approve of his answers. If he doesn't promote you in the stated time frame, then you shouldn't keep your hopes up for the promotion, as it is just a carrot to make your work harder.
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So are you bother more by the comp or your boss?
How much supporting career roles did he have 3 years ago verse how much you have today? Including technical and managerial. Just because a role paid X the one filling it may have strong other industry knowledge that is not part of the role but supports the company from an end to end perspective and thus would grant more compensation.
So you think your boss is racist/sexist? If you truly believe that, take it to your HR dept and seek a resolution.
In the Navy, when a person gets promoted to certain grades, they are obligated to serve a number of extra years to "pay back" that promotion, even though they earned it in the first place. You shouldn't be so surprised that your boss wants you to stick around so they can get a return on their investment, which is you.
Exactly, her response to this situation is strange.
Don't worry about if you leave work and do what is expected but don't go overboard. In my experience, dangling the carrot is just a way to keep people who are already halfway out the door slightly engaged.
I would also write all your accomplishments down so then you have it for the discussion if anything comes to fruition. I asked for a pay revision because I am exceeding my goals but have just kept getting rejected for a different role (higher pay) within the organization. It just let me to not care and try to get a better job more quickly… especially when they turned me down and had 3 external candidates also turn the role down (after telling me they had a “great pool.” of course they and those people wouldn't take the crappy pay.
I'd just come back with what I thought I was worth. I always do.
If you think you should have 20% more, tell them you are worth 30% more and if you have to assure them you will stay for a certain amount of time, that's another 20%.
So if he made 100,000 and want to pay you 90,000, your response would be approx. 120,000 and for promising to stay, another 20% to bump you to 144,000.
You have nothing to lose, especially if they are just trying to get you to do the job for peanuts.
There's a huge gap in between those numbers, so if they are serious, you will get a chunk of it. You'll know if they are serious by how they react.
I would add 9% to what he was making 3 yrs ago and hold firm. I would ask him to sit down with you and ask why there has been 3 months since this was brought up. Org going in different direction? At that time I would tell him my expectations and why I deserve the increase in offer which is easily done. Never be afraid to walk if your confident in your skills and what you bring
Compounded, it's over 10% if you are assuming 3% per year raise. Just a FYI :)
When you have skills, great work ethic and a team player the market is always strong and in need. Never believe anyone who says different.
Yes… I would be bothered
Many well thought out responses and many over the top lol. Whether we can admit or prove, there are discrepancies in salary based on many conditions such as age, gender, culture, levels of experience, tool sets, skills, connections, etc.
Some of the good responses IMHO.
1. Give verbal confirmation. It costs nothing and as long as there is no bonus or additional compensation being provided in the form of a contract requiring stay x years or pay back x % then just confirm and take the role.
2. Let your work show who you are. Really like this comment. I'm like this as I work really really hard and do my best to let my work speak for itself...but note point 3...
3. Another great response, tied to number 2... Document document document... your work, accomplishments, etc and present them quarterly, and again at your yearly review. This keeps you goal-oriented and focused. It also allows you to review with your direct manager and reprioritize your time and skills to meet business needs, and provides management approval, direction, and proof you are meeting and hopefully 'exceeding' your personal goals (insert x time you want to meet this and aim for promotions or work life balance etc whatever is best for you).
4. There could be many reasons for the difference in pay, inflation, bias, perhaps the other person had specific skills or experience that helped them receive more compensation. The best response here i think is back to the opening. We know there are reason.. but as some others stated, be awesome! Let the work speak for you! Spend calories in upskilling and being a team player and completing your goals with high success and efficiency.
5. You can always accept the role, upskill, and apply to new roles as the economy improves. I wouldn't step back from climbing hard (if that's your goal) but at least continue to work on yourself and your approach.
Lots of great responses throughout. I hope you take the role and kick so much ass that you outshine your next review and get that next promotion/grade/pay that you are striving for in your career!