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Is it possible they’re not used to sitting down? In some roles, you’re up and moving more than in other roles so sometimes a sitting down meeting you yawn because your body is not used to it. You can’t very well stand in the middle of an interview, can you?
You are very correct, thank you for that input.🎯
I'll be honest, I think you might be overthinking it a little bit. Sometimes I am just a little bit sleepy and I can't really help but yawn. Maybe he has a newborn at home, maybe his sleep schedule is off. There are so many things that could be besides a lack of interest or a reflection of the interview.
Thanks CDL1 - I ended up not hearing back. Anyway I didn’t get the best vibe from them so probably for the better, but yeah
Red flag. I was interviewed with a hiring manager who did not ask 1 single question. 10 mins in I knew it was going nowhere
Hmm what do they really want to achieve? Or does it make a comment on their work ethic and how things at the company get done?
Or, or…hear me out, he may be exhausted and it has nothing to do with you. Which is a red flag in that the job may be exhausting. Internalized Capitalism makes us feel like we should be sorry for being tired, we should not be.
That being said, you said you “felt off” I feel like you should still listen to that. Instincts are rarely wrong.
Yeah i don’t know maybe there was something else at play here. But agree i will listen to my gut
My first thought it that he was probably tired. Or it's possible he's just someone who has lost their inhibitions when it comes to things like yawning. I get your point, if he was someone you'd have to work with it would be a bad sign to show that kind of disrespect during an interview. I mean, even if you're tired, get it together and act professionally.
It would be the hiring manager! I don’t know it feels disrespectful but also im trying to find a manager who pays attention…my current manager is always multitasking in our 1-1s
Since you said your current manager doesn’t engage, you might be overthinking it a bit. I don’t equate yawning to being disengaged.
On the other side of it, you very well could have picked up on other visual cues and yawning was just the most obvious that really triggered the realization for you.
Hmmm you’re right it may have been other aspects about it. He seemed more blunt
No! They likely already have a candidate identified and are simply "going through the motions" to satisfy some quota or regulatory requirements. Don't waste your time.
Yawning can have tons of causes unrelated to boredom. For me personally:
Low iron = not enough oxygen =yawning
Bad sleep = yawning
Allergies = yawning
Literally none of those have to do with you. Try not to take it personally or assume they didn't like you. Some of us literally can't help it.
Yes, you should continue to the next round and not personalize this incident. You could be letting a great opportunity pass you by.
maybe the guy/gal was up all night stressing about the interviews he had to conduct? should have asked him just for fun - do you need a nap?
Lol I will next time
"...fight for [you] to get the salary or raise later?"
Dearie, you are a resource. If this manager will need you, he will "fight" to retain you; if he will not need you, he will not "fight" for you. If getting rid of you will show on paper that he saved money, or make him look good for any reason in any way, he will get rid of you. There is no "fighting for" an employee because of anything except your utility. If the position is good, I would continue to the next round. If it is not so great, I would not. His yawning is immaterial, except he may not give you as much guidance or support on the job as you might like; you may be left to your own devices, which might be good or not.
Maybe jus checking the box to cover the N + 2 to hire someone else.
Maybe the manager is tired and has to do more work than normal and that is why there is an opening.
I would just leave the table without saying a word and then report this behavior to the company. This is unacceptable.
Only if it was someone else besides him
Lol
Yes its a flag but store it as information. I would continue with the interview process to learn about the company role team and who I would be working for. Then I would include that information with the rest of my information to decide on how I felt about the company. I find that you'd be surprised what you find out over time. You may find that you love the other folk or that you should never have bothered with any interviews with them. Its all good practice and growth. Good luck.
Thanks D1, you’re right it’s good practice
I have had interviews where the GROUP of EDUCATORS read questions from Google Forms, typed my answers and were absolutely disengaged from out conversation.
Then, I have an interviews where I thought we were hitting all the rights notes, only to discover I was a number they HAD to interview before they hired internally a family member.
Hmm I guess you can never really tell
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No
Apply Hanlon's razor. The yawning guy just didn't realise his mistake, otherwise he would have apologised immediately and given a brief explanation / excuse. He obviously feels comfortable and secure in his role - I prefer to treat every day like a job interview, which, indirectly, it is. It is more tiring to keep yourself on your toes like that, but at least you don't develop any bad habits and remain professional.