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Also, there's a difference between complaining about a shitty system and claiming victimhood.
I 100% agree with a lot of folks here that none of us are victims (we made the choice). But that doesn't mean we can't complain :)
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Certainly don’t think it’s racist. But, let’s just say that the US ain’t no saint - it’s all business and politics and lobbies and establishments - a perfect capitalistic economy. And agree - we all knew what the rules of the game were and what we were getting into. BUT, I also think it’s fair to call the bluff out of the system is supposed to be fair and it isn’t.
I am on a H-1B , and contrary to popular sentiment, I am with the American on this. We knew the rules before we came in, it wasn’t eyes wide shut. Also, nobody is stopping us from going back if we want to exit the servitude. We made a choice. Does it suck? Yes.
I don’t think it has anything to do with racism, rather more to do with capitalism. Exploits resources to the maximum extent.
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It was idiotic to link H1b rules with racism. You did the right thing by not intervening.
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Lol everything was said about how white Europeans/ Aussies/ Afrikaners and Kiwis have it easier finding a job than Indian H1bs and it got really ugly, at one point the H1B dude went after affirmative action in hiring, no race was spared 😂
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(Cont.) me being a GC I can’t speak for an H1Bs struggles and this was one of those situations Damned if you do, Damned if you don’t. I raised my hands and said no comment. What would you have done? Feels like im branded a sellout every time I walk away from these discussions and this wasn’t the first time
H1b is far from racist. As someone who didn't get it three times and had to leave, I still think h1b gives a fair playing ground to all, regardless of experience, company, nationality or current status.
Greencard caps are also justified since they only cap after some big million people per country immigrate to USA.
What's actually the con is people applying for h1b on 5 companies. If they get selected for all 5, 4 are gone down the drain. Most culprits are WITCH candidates.
As a fellow h1b, I am also in the camp that I knew what I was getting into and would also do it again. That said, when I was laid off early 2020, and every company froze hiring for a while, I had a very anxious couple of months. In the end, I was lucky to have joined a new job on day 58 post termination. But after paying full MBA tuition, $200k in rent, $400k in taxes in 5 years, it felt unfair and stupid to be in that situation. I disagree that this is due to capitalism. This is protectionism
All the response to trying to validate A1 taxes/rent but no one being empathic to his situation or respond to his comment, but instead questioning him on his salary etc.
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Not everyone knows the extent of what an H1B to GC process for an India born involves. This is a huge assumption for anyone who uses a rather immature comeback: “you knew what you were signing up for”. Yeah, no. Not everyone does. You’d be able to claim this argument if the US govt explicitly published warnings about duration of GC processing in layman terms to prospective aspirants. But they don’t. They don’t because there is literally 1 country (maybe 2 if you consider China, but I don’t consider China to be comparable) - that country being India. To say there isn’t an element of racism involved in immigration matters in the US (or west in general) is to pull a blind eye to it racism and singing to the tunes of the elites. It’s literally the racial origins of certain immigrants that is holding up immigration reform in this country, one that impacts H1Bs as well. But since 99% of the world isn’t impacted by the delay in GC processing via a work visa route, there is no incentive nor the urgency to fix the issue. Regardless of the uncertainty someone on a 20 year or more wait for GC faces. You can’t say “your choice” to someone who has
1. Studied in the US
2. Went through a struggle of landing an H1B
3. Paid their taxes
4. Abided by the laws of the country
5. Maintains a hope for a permanent future in a country that has allowed them to maintain their employment (thereby creating hope)
But then is met with the reality that the country they were born in is somehow a bigger factor in their adjustment of status than everything else. So 1-5 being the same in all instances, a non-India born would somehow be better choice than an India born as a future US citizen.
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CC1 to Point 1 for capital gain most colleges gloss over the H1B part for prospective students and sell them false dreams, despite widespread awareness we have folks taking that route today despite knowing the risk
I've been through the whole F1-H1B-GC-Citizen shtick. It was nerve racking, not cheap and tactically limiting initially.
Strategically it has been my top 3 best decisions I've ever made. I knew what I was getting into - the world owes me nothing. I am here to make my own destiny.
I'd agree with the American.
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I’m an Indian on H1B and while the immigration system absolutely sucks worse than any other system in the country, I don’t think it’s racist. It’s simply a citizen vs non citizen problem. Govt doesn’t care for non citizens, it’s a bad situation to be in but what else can one expect? You can’t expect to be treated equally.
The country cap on GCs though, which is how Indian kids on H4 get aged out is an absolutely stupid thing. Again probably not racist but to cap an employment and skills based visa by country of origin makes no sense.
One thing with the H1B though that annoyed me was stamping. Like P1 said, it's a privilege not a right, but like if someone flies to their home country for a few days/weeks and then gets stuck for months, it's very frustrating and makes people a little nervous traveling back home.
If they didn't want to give people that permit to work and travel, just let them know while they're in the US, not when they've left their apartments and things, risking their jobs, only to go back home for a visit
To OP's initial point though, yeah I agree with the others, I think you were right to stay out of it
Racist may not be right word but American politicians have definitely ensured it remains utterly incompetent. Will you call system just if it provides a highschool graduate cab driver faster access to citizenship over MBB consultant or FAAMNG engineer. I am not belittling cab driver here but since Americans consider themselves bastion of capitalism shouldn't they be more practical in matters for opening opportunities.
I think it’s a privilege to get an h1b. And I find it almost like going to someone’s house and getting upset about how they won’t let you stay for as long as you want. Maybe an unpopular opinion. But making that a conversation topic especially when white people are around is so uncalled for and tone-deaf.
I’m an American citizen and I’ve cousins who are very distant because they are on h1b. I’ve tried a lot to make them comfortable, help them and connect but they are very bitter about this “immigration lottery” and never can look at the cousin in me. In the recent past, I can no longer completely empathize with the group of h1b immigrants who are obsessed with this “unfairness” because they can’t look past this. It’s affected their lives so much it’s interfering their relationships with people outside of this subset.
OP its racist of you to assume only a certain ethnicity / nationality is on DACA. You’re the closet racist. I never said anything about race / nationality. Your biases are showing. Not only are you a sexist but also a racist! Great!
Yikes, I would have had the same reaction.
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I keep saying this. All types of Visas are privileges and not rights.
H1B or not, just do good and don’t throw your frustrations on others. It’s not good to vent like this because it is not changing the rules. Ultimately it was your choice to come here, so face what comes with it, may it be visa issues, cultural differences whatsoever
As a former H1B from India, I did exactly what your White colleges said - moved to Canada.
It’s much better up North and it’s similar lifestyle. I guess better in some ways than US.
I too had no idea about the GC wait so after 7 yrs of wait, I decided to move to Canada and I couldn’t be any happier.
So why is the GC system partial for people from India, China and Mexico. It’s probably because the US wants diversity. If there was no cap, then US would be flooded with immigrants from other countries and this is what they don’t want. Think about the political structure and history that would change for US.
I suspect your pal was venting. I've been a H1b holder until very recently. I know the uncertainty, the pain. Especially if you have kids in school, a home, etc.
The venting was perhaps untimely, I agree. Different people react differently to stress.
BTW, one of the biggest peeves I had as an H1b is my gc and citizen brethren basically do their best to whitewash/ameriwash themselves and ignore the plight of these H1b families.
Case in point: DACA is getting traction but what about H1b kids brought here early and now going out of status? They just get a kick on the backside on the way out.
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RSM1 I re read your comments(including edited ones 😝) I of course sympathise with H1B folks who have to leave the US after investing in career and family, that’s not fair either, just that in their anger and desperation when folks decide to even bring DACA into the discussion they lose the argument right there, they should be going after fraud agencies, WITCH companies and the politicians in that order before inventing boogeymen out of no where, anyways that’s enough for now, have a good day
And if you decide to edit anymore comments above, I’ll reply by EOD 😂
CC1 - it’s a long process and you knew that when you applied is indeed the right answer. I think everyone will agree that it causes a lot of stress and in many cases curtails growth, but that doesn’t make it racist. Could it be made better, easier, absolutely. You can’t blame the system for your decisions.
I am more interested in knowing what other things the H1B dude said 🤣😝😁
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Nah D1 this further leads to stereotyping and unnecessary hate, CNN/MSNBC and Fox News do enough damage already