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Someone didn’t get the memo from 1865. You still a slave?
Not American. These self-professed victims celebrating their imagined oppression is a sad sight indeed.
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Someone didn’t get the memo that after 1865 there were 100 more years of Jim Crowe.
Not an American but I also read and inform my opinions on facts.
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Sure glad slavery ended a long time ago so that we can all celebrate this glorious day together! This isn’t a perfect nation, but I’m so grateful for our freedoms!
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendment/amendment-xiii
I have a feeling OP didn’t actually read the whole speech. Douglass goes on to say that there isn’t a single pro-slavery clause in the entire Constitution, that slavery in a nation such as our own is rank hypocrisy (because it doesn’t match our noble ideals), and that the issue would be rectified when the Black man is recognized as a full person. Douglass would be proud to see the progress we’ve made.
It’s fun to cherry-pick the quotes you like, but it’s even better to thoughtfully engage with arguments!
Google is helpful in general. Feel free to fact check anything I’ve said.
All fragile and triggered responses, comment here, for the sake of organization.
American History is interesting.
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I just looked at my wrist, and I don’t have time today!
Yet you have enough time to comment :-)
Thank goodness for the abolish of slavery in 1865! Happy July 4th all!
^ this. Let us go out and celebrate our independence.
Seriously? Give it a rest
Give what a rest, exactly?
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I agree with OP- let’s ban celebrating July 4th. Same with thanksgiving.
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We should have renamed Thanksgiving “Stuffing Day” a long time ago
Bruh just enjoy the holiday and rapid American progress
An entire race of continuously disenfranchised people. Who AFTER 1865 was still discriminated against for more than a 100 years under Jim Crow, redlining, and discriminatory lending practices.
That race EYP1
“The crack you heard, was the sound of the slave-whip; the scream you heard, was from the woman you saw with the babe. Her speed had faltered under the weight of her child and her chains! that gash on her shoulder tells her to move on. Follow the drove to New Orleans. Attend the auction; see men examined like horses; see the forms of women rudely and brutally exposed to the shocking gaze of American slave-buyers. See this drove sold and separated forever; and never forget the deep, sad sobs that arose from that scattered multitude. Tell me citizens, WHERE, under the sun, you can witness a spectacle more fiendish and shocking. Yet this is but a glance at the American slave-trade, as it exists, at this moment, in the ruling part of the United States.”
Why is everyone so upset by this fairly innocuous post that is almost always discussed every July 4th?
I mean these are direct quotes.. You’re celebrating a historic date, but don’t want to acknowledge all parts of history? Americans are a weird bunch.
This is the same country that fought a war to abolish slavery. Many of the men that established our country were the ones that were leaders in the abolition movement. Ben Franklin, a founding father, was the leader of the Pennsylvania Society for Abolition.
America is not, nor will it ever be, perfect. It is a nation that constantly and consistently progresses. We should look back and remember our failures because it will remind us of what our race (humans) are capable of. But we should not be ashamed of celebrating the independence that allows us to progress.
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P2, That claim is either disingenuous or ignorant. Secession happened because of slavery. War happened because of secession. Lincoln promised not to abolish slavery in slave states, but the Confederate states seceded anyway TO UPHOLD SLAVERY.
Read the declarations of secession. Yes, there were other factors, but secession happened because of slavery and a war was fought to keep the country united.
After war break out, Lincoln could have fully capitulated on slavery and communicated this to the Confederate states. He didn't. The US didn't. In case it was unclear to any nation, Lincoln made sure they knew it was about slavery by signing proclamation in 1863.
If slavery had already been abolished, there would not have been a war. You're fooling yourself if you believe otherwise.
“You profess to believe, "that, of one blood, God made all nations of men to dwell on the face of all the earth," and hath commanded all men everywhere to love one another; yet you notoriously hate (and glory in your hatred) all men whose skins are not colored like your own.”
“Oppression makes a wise man mad. Your fathers were wise men, and if they did not go mad, they became restive under this treatment. They felt themselves the victims of grievous wrongs, wholly incurable in their colonial capacity. With brave men there is always a remedy for oppression. Just here, the idea of a total separation of the colonies from the crown was born! It was a startling idea, much more so, than we, at this distance of time, regard it. The timid and the prudent (as has been intimated) of that day, were, of course, shocked and alarmed by it.”
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I think I agree with the spirit of this post, but you took the passive aggressive way out by just posting a quote. If you have a point to make, just make it and use the quote as support. And no, "American history is interesting" doesn't count.
How am I being passive aggressive? Lol. I quoted some frank quotes. They speak for themselves.
Ok then
Haha.. is this the same salty pwc director?
I love how racists expose themselves. Why are y’all so mad over some direct quotes? The day this app is doxxed will be hilarious.
I love this has taken up so much rent space for you C3. You must be really insecure. Did you enjoy the Jan 6th insurrection? Get anything nice?