Would you stay at a firm if you could bill only about 1600 a year with 240k pay? Wondering if worth lateralling to a market-paying firm or staying. Mid-level/Senior feeling like I am leaving money on the table and wondering if the grass is greener.

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1600 hours sounds fantastic… Depends on your financial situation but I would stay put if I were you for the work life balance.

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You could make double for billing 300ish more.

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But it is not an easy math like that because 1600 really is the line between you have a life (though busy) and you don’t have a life. The 300 more makes a huge difference. Also, you need to factor in your potential to make partner at this firm.

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I would stay at 1600 if you like the people u work with, and you work 1600 generally in a way you are okay with. Like I work hate to bill 1600 where a lot of the work come in late but you still have to be in the office and everything is a fire drill

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I WISH I got 240k in pay, let alone only have to bill 1600 hours to get it....

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How lumpy/consistent are the 1600 hours? That averages to about a 30 hr workweek (assuming no vacations). If it's generally something like that but consistently 9 AM - 2 PM, then hell yes, brother, I'd have stuck at my firm probably at least another few years. But if those hours are like 4 PM - 10 PM (or often weekend work or inconsistent day to day), then maybe not as clear because you can find in-house gigs at around that comp with fewer demands (depending on seniority). That was what I just couldn't stand at a firm...I never felt logged off even when I was logged off.

But if you're a senior, try finding something in-house. I'm a "6th" year that just landed my second in house gig, and I make $270k all in at a pubco. I still think I'm a tad underpaid, but I'm generally working 9-5 the vast majority of the time and don't work weekends.

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And how do you ensure you’d only be working 1600? When you say you’re at capacity, it isn’t the same as someone billing 2200. Why not just go in-house? Pay would be comparable and you’re likely to actually get that WLB you’re after…

Agreed, but likely an easier task than actually getting a BL employer to respect the 1600 cap…

yes, for a true 1600 or some lucrative bonus structure for anything over 1600. I don’t know anyone that makes 300,000 more for a true 1900, at least one who is allowed to stay at the firm… I am sure someone here is going to tell me I’m wrong

Full remote too*

If money is your dominant concern; why ask? In 9 years of firm life. I think I have a life. Wife and I go eat at nice places. Enjoy our time together. The week is busy, granted. But we love the time we do have. It’s also nice I can support her as she transitions to a new business and I can pay for a mortgage in a nice part of town. Donate to charities I care about. Be there for people both personally and financially. It’s not all roses and sunshine. But nothing truly is. The question is what do you want more now?

That’s a unicorn job. Yes

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