Commercial lit associate at AmLaw 200 firm. 1850 billable requirement, solid culture, I would be up for “counsel” at the end of the year, then partner down the line, and no major complaints. Was approached by former colleague to join small firm that is trying to strategically grow to become a true litigation boutique. Lawyer that approached says they want associates that can run with cases and want to go to trial. No billable requirement but told the associates bill 1700-1800. Continued below…

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What is your long term goal? Do you want to build a book and be “a true ‘trial attorney’” or would you be happier as a service partner (possibly making more money)? Based on your comments, I get the impression you want to go for the book of business.

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Lower rates = lower collections = lower comp (subject to the firms’ relative overhead expenses)

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That’s sometimes the case but depends on a lot of variables like whether the firm has different tiers for partner, the comp structure for partners and how origination versus working attorney collections go into comp. For example if you have a 800k book at a smaller firm with lower rates where you are doing a decent amount of the work on that book, you will probably make more than if you were at a bigger firm with higher rates where you don’t have a book and are just working cases for institutional clients or other partners’ clients.

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Pay would be similar, at least at the associate level. If I became partner at the AmLaw firm I would likely be more of a service partner doing work for the firm’s institutional clients. Maybe be able to bring in some of my own business down the road but the rates are much higher than smaller firms in the area (and IMO many of the smaller firms can do just as good of work) so seems like building a book would be more difficult at the AmLaw firm. At the boutique, seems like building a book would be more doable given the lower rates and could, based on what I’ve been told about the comp structure, lead to better comp down the road but that’s of course no guarantee.

Very torn on whether to take the plunge and go for the litigation boutique with the goal of becoming partner, building a book, and being a true “trial attorney” vs stay the course at the AmLaw firm, become counsel and hopefully a partner, but not have as good a chance at building my own book and not try nearly as many cases.

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